Lost 2010: Season 6 spoilers and your theories

Oh. My. God.
The season 5 finale was so shocking. I noticed that right when Juliet got the bomb to explode, the screen was white – but not just any white. It was exactly the color of the time-traveling indicator during the flashes in the earlier episodes of the season.
Just a note from me: I think that the LOST logo at the very end of the episode on the white screen was a very emotional touch. It got my mind racing and my heart pumping EVEN MORE than the rest of the episode did. It truly lets you know the end is coming near.
John Locke is not John Locke. Well, the one walking around isn’t. The one walking around is the man from the very beginning of the finale, the one who said he’d find a loophole. Also, I believe that Jacob’s last words refer to the “final conflict” that the producer’s have been letting us know about.
One thing’s for sure: I just can’t wait to get answers.

the story will end for the past and there all back on the plane but the future will be about locke 2.0 and his orgins when will the promo come on for lost season 6

Well, one of the things I’m most intrigued about with LOST is indeed the statue. I want to know what supposedly “lies in the shadow” of it, and I want to know how it went from the full statue to just the foot. Also, I wonder if the ship at the beginning of the finale is the Black Rock- the ship that had the dynamite back in season 1 and was also the ship in the painting that Charles Widmore bought in season 4.

There are two gods on the island jacob and the black smoke. The black smoke cannot kill jacob but it can get others to and that is the loop whole just my idea

What the hell does any of this mean. I feel like I am watching days of our lives written by timothy leary.

I love that Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve…Jacob has seen this coming for some time-his ‘power’ is much greater than that of ‘Locke 2.0′…Jacob has visited and ‘touched’ each of our intrepid Oceanic 6 at crucial moments in their lives-maybe even brought Locke back after his fall out the window…Jacob also gave each one some sort of gift: I think we will see those ‘gifts’ from Jacob come into play, symbolically or metaphorically, in the new season. Interestingly, on thinkbabynames.com-a very popular variant form of the name Jacob, is not only ‘Jack’…but also, ‘James’…If Jacob made Richard ‘the way that I am’ could he not also ‘become’ Jack or James…if Jacob’s nemesis/anti-thesis can control the dead or take their shapes, is it logical to take the next step and assume that maybe Jacob could do the same with the living…? LOVE LOVE LOVE this show! Is it January yet?

the statue is that of “Sobek”. He was the egyptian god of crocodiles or the Nile.

Why are there only 4 toes on the statue?
What happened to Claire and Christian?
And Jacob? Like, what is he?

one more thing……who are the new batch of survivors that hang out with the airplane pilot, mr. “lawn mower man”?

Season 6 will start the same way season 1 did with the plane crashing – except under different circumstances.

I completely agree with jason about the ending. It was absolutely perfect. The show built up so much suspense in that last scene, then right as something amazing was going to happen, it all went white and all it said was LOST FINAL SEASON 2010 DESTINY FOUND. It had my heart racing. Great ending.

Right, here’s my theory. Jacob is essentially ‘God’ in the Christian sense and the other man that we saw with him in the beginning of the episode ‘The incident’ is the Devil or Lucifer. Richard has been brought on the Island to protect ‘the leader of the others’by Jacob and he overseas that the devil doesn’t interfere with their decisions. whoever that may be at the time, and that is why he doesn’t age. He is actually hundreds of years old maybe even thousands. It really is that simple.

Okay that was my first theory my second theory is that Jacob and the other man are brothers and the other man is in fact Esau the first born son of Rebecka, and Jacob is his twin but essentially still the second child. The bible calls this story of Jacob and Esau The Story of Redemption. The ‘boys’ are on this Island and as time means nothing to those that are immortal the two boys are actually playing a game perhaps even have a wager on how this thing will end. Jacob believes that Man will eventually do the right thing by each other whereas Esau believes they are destined to fail and as the more ruthless of the two is willing to manipulate the inhabitants of the island to make sure this happens so that he wins his wager. He may have had influence over Charles Whidmore which is why he was banished from the island.

I’m not sure How it will end but I’m confident all will be revealed in series 6 and I cannot wait!!!

Oh and I don’t believe that the Island has been blown up, I believe that ‘Whatever happened happened. and that the remaining survivors in 1977 will go back to the future in series 6. Peter Chang will still make the Swan initiation video with his hand missing and I truely believe that all is not LOST!

Also the Title of the show itself ‘LOST’ has great significance and doesn’t just relate to the fact that they are lost but refers to the ‘game’ that is currently taking place on the island between Jacob and Esau.

Furthermore the Black smoke is actually Esau, that’s how he has been manipulating the inhabitants, through fear and distress.

Obviously Jacob knew he will die some day. I think Christian is waiting in line to take Jacob’s role.
Because “things need a little push”…. (said both by Christian to John at the wheel, and Jacob to Jack at the candy vending machine)

Naturally thoughr Richard would be a great candidate (to continue Jacob), because he never ages, but Richard may have a special role, maybe a trustee agent.

I think that the guy who wanted to find the loophole wasn’t capable of killing Jacob. He most likely was meant to be the leader and was very jealous of Jacob. I also think he was the one living in that cabin in the woods. He was living there and pretending to be Jacob in order to manipulate people. Then, much later in time, he persuaded Locke and Ben to mess with the island’s electromagnetism. When the island started skipping through time, he was able to find loopholes in the past so that he could take control of Locke’s body. The loophole thing may also be referring to Farraday’s work because he said that there were many rules you can not break in time travel. So what I think is that he was very patient for hundreds of years, just so he could kill Jacob. He was a smart manipulator.

Ronnie – When Richard gave his answer to “What lies in the shadow of the statue,” he answered in Latin – “He who will watch over us all.”

Remember in the beginning of the episode with that guy who said he’d find a loophole? I believe that he somehow possessed Locke or maybe reincarnated him somehow and that’s how he was able to finally find his loophole – whatever the loophole is.

i heard locke wakes up and its all a dream

it’s like some good v evil battle. with Jacob being good and that loop hole fella being evil.
i reckon there all in pergetry- it’s the only solution, or they’ll make it dead naff and they’ll all go back in time like daniel predicted and they won’t know each other.

A dream!!!??? Jease, if the creators made it all turn out to be a dream that would be the biggest anti-climax since Pam woke up and Bobby was in the shower!!! But much much bigger!!!!!!

Locke is Locke, I think, and perhaps his loophole is to exist simultaneously in both states, living and dead. Perhaps Locke is a constant, not a variable. The rest of the passengers are variables with really mixed up coordinates. Locke’s purpose may be to realign Jacob so that he is a variable, not a constant, thus making him vulnerable to change, throwing him out of the grand equation, so to speak.

DM – Of course Locke is Locke, but the Locke walking and talking isn’t actually Locke, he’s the man from the very beginning of the episode who wanted his loophole. Obviously part of his loophole was deceiving everyone by impersonating Locke.
Bob – Of course, this theory is plausible. But you have to take into consideration that you are talking about one of the most cliffhanger-reliant shows out there. A dream would be somewhat of a giant anticlimax, no?
Jess – I don’t believe they are in purgatory. Purgatory is a place where people go after they’ve died in order to prove themselves good enough for heaven, right? Well, what about all those people who died in purgatory who were never really put to the test? Although I do admit that since the smoke monster “judges” people, it would make a very good case.

I think ben has an even bigger part to play! if the guy at the begining of the season finale sitting on the beach with jacob is in fact the black smoke! didn’t ben “summone” him to kill the guy’s widmore sent to the island!!! therefore ben knew about this all along???

Sobek’s ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situation, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part. In this way, he was seen as a more primal god, eventually becoming regarded as an avatar of the primal god Amun, who at that time was considered the chief god. When his identity finally merged, Amun had become merged himself with Ra to become Amun-Ra, so Sobek, as an avatar of Amun-Ra, was known as Sobek-Ra.

The only flaw, Ian, in your theory is that although Ben did summon the black smoke to kill Widmore’s men- he didn’t know exactly what the black smoke was. He knew what it could do and he knew how to summon it, but he still didn’t know what it actually was.

Perhaps the 6th series will see those from 77 landing at LAX and how their life continues on as if nothing happened, with flashbacks to that other existance we have experienced…. so Jack sees KAte etc etc -No one has mentioned that we saw Richard in 77 and current day… and if the bomb HAD gone off in the past then surely he’d not be there… but he is, so the bomb if it went off is a change to the past.
What needs to be answered STILL is how they all came to be on hat flight having al had the hand of Jacob touch them – and what about those who died – did Jacob meet them…. think we need to hibernate until Jan 10… Happy Xmas everyone

Jacob is God and Locke (not the real one the guy from the begining of the finale) is the Devil

God always gives us a choice just like Jacob

yeah the white flash in the end is significant…i reckon the flash sends them back to past, to a time on the island when the statues were not built yet because i think the statues (i think there is more than one)were built in the losties honour, that is why they are so special…to back up my theory, one of the statues is sebek, god of fertility and i think that was built in juliets honour considering she is a midwife

Did anyone notice that kate, sawyer, jake, locke, jin and sun were visited by jacob before they went to the island the first time while hurley was visited by jacob the 2nd time. Also more characters must have seen him as jin and locke were not in the oceanic 6.

Kristen – Although I do believe that you may be right in saying that the guy from the beginning is evil and Jacob is a good guy, I don’t believe that the LOST creators set the whole show up to be a giant religious allegory. There are a lot of religious themes and a bunch of allusions to religion, but I really don’t think it’s a religious allegory.
Pauric – This is a very plausible theory. I actually enjoy thinking about it. But we’ve never heard of any other statues and we’ve never seen of any other statues and that really makes me believe that the possibility of other statues being introduced is very, very slim.

ok so has n e 1 noticed that syede is wearing a darmah jump suit with the name of bens dad on it and he is also laying in a van half dead!….. now think back 2 wen herley first found the van back in normal time, there was a dead body in the van wearing a darmah jump suit with bens dads name on. putting two and two together, my conclusion is that they have all already been 2 island, it was syedes body found in the van not bens dads. it make sense and also in the last episode miles sed how do u kno we havnt already done this…. which was ignored by jack etc.
although i am a bit confused as to what this has 2 do with the eygpicans hmm and y is there a temple underground that nobody ever goes 2?? also what is the black stuff that haunts the island and why is it able to form the shape of people, i.e alex!!
and my final dilemia is wot the deal with the new people that have come to the island, and does the ship that was sailing towards the island when jacob and the other dude were on th beach have n e thing to do with the others??

I think that they will all end up back on the beach just after the plane crashes, and the whole series starts again ha ha

i have another theory, at the beginning of the finale the guy in black clothing said to jacob “they come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt, it always ends the same”…i dont think he was talking about humanity but a specific group of people, that being the losties…what makes me say this is what jacob says back…”it only happens once, anything before that is just progress”

i think the reason that the guy wants to kill jacob is because, jacob is trying to prove humanity can change and co exist peacefully which raises the question why?? and why is the guy so against this?? i think jacob has plans to hand over his position as leader of the island to a human and the guy wants this role and thinks a human will destroy the island therefore wants to kill jacob because he thinks he is making a massive mistake

Genesis 25:27 “And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tents.”

In this story Esau despises his birthright. He chose earthly desires over the covenant and by doing this was considered “godless” (Heb.12:16). Choices are important and some can have eternal repercussions. Some choices are more important than others and this lesson will help realize that there are consequences to choices that they make and even the smallest decision can be very important.

THIS ESSENTIALLY IS LOST IN A NUT SHELL. HOW THIS WILL COME TO A PINNACLE END IN SEASON 6 IS ANYONES GUESS?????

has anyone thought abouth the fact that locke is really dead, the living locke meeting jacob is just him before he dies? ie. he travelled into the future? if he had travelled even further into the future that would also mean he would know what is going to happen. they gave a teaser of this when locke went with richard to see himself so richard could remove the bullet from his leg. locke knew he himself was gonna be there!
is it just me or does the time travel loop created for star trek have strong resemblance to what is about to happen in lost? ie. a new unwritten future? its clear to me the end of season six is either going to be them on the plane and it doesnt crash, or the six of them looking up as the plane flies over them before they “leap” to another point in time?
also could jacob be the smoke? after all, locke did kick him into the fire? and as someone pointed out earlier could jacob be aeron? whatever happens i wanna know more about the black rock! seeing it sailing in the finale was awesome! roll on series 6…

Most of the people here who are going on a biblical approach are wrong. If you think about how smart the writers of LOST are and how many people are really into religion you would know that the writers would know that it would be too obvious. The only things that can really be infered are the things that happen in the show, for example, the white flash at the very end could be similiar to when desmond blows up the hatch. There is a white flash right after and the episode name is, “Live Together Die Alone” This line is said by juleit, who sets off the bomb. The white flash could also be the survivors of 815 in 1977 moving through time to the present, which could be why jacob saide, “There coming” indicating the other survivors are coming.

Jacob couldn’t be the Black Smoke after being burnt because the black smoke appeared in 2007 telling Ben to listen to whatever Locke told him

I started re-watching LOST from season 1 the other day. In Walkabout, Locke has his first encounter with the smoke monster. After that, Jack starts seeing Christian everywhere, and Jack follows him. Christian disappears in the trees…and out comes Locke! This happened in White Rabbit as well! Jack’s gone, Claire’s dehydrated and Locke says “I’ll go find him. Besides, I know where to look”.

Jack finds his father again and runs at him, only to almost fall off a cliff, and bam! There’s Locke to save his life!

The producers have said that they’ve been planning this all along. Most people speculate that the obvious clue to it is going to be Adam and Eve, but what if it’s really revealed as Locke having been possessed by Mr.Black on and off again throughout the entire series???

Going with this, I might be inclined to believe that the show’s format will ring true in season 6 and when we follow Mr.Black (who will continue in John Locke’s form), we will see flashbacks of possessed Locke’s actions on the island

Hy guys, hopfuly no one has posted somthing similar to this, but hear you go.

Got a theory about the guitar case Hurley is carrying, having started wotching lost again form season 1 i have picked up on a few things but one in particular.
In the first season Episode 7 Charlie tries looking for his guitar case, and to help him kick his addiction Locke tells charlie to go and get it from the top of a big hill. So i think that Charlie’s guitar is also stuck in a time loop as is Ricard’s compass.
Jacob at some point must get hold of the guitar and bring it to Hurley by leaving it in the taxi for him.
After the Explosion i think that Hurley leaves it on the hill for Charlie to find it. maybe Charlie’s ghost tells him to put it there maybe just before the end of season 6 as a nice touch, just to tie up one end of the show in a nice way? or maybe some form of Locke just tells him to put it there.

Tell me what you guys think about that

I think that jacob and Fake locke have been playin the same game for centuries.
The nemesis at the start of the finale tries to find someone to kill jacob nd jacob makes sure people who can change that timeline make it to the island.So like jack nd kate nd sawyer are like safe guards so if jacob died then the timeline wud be changed by them nd thus jacob is alive again. Nd this has been happenin over and over such as with the black rock that crashed. Just an idea

OK so u guys remember when Jack was standing by that hole when all the metal things started flying into it? Yea well remember when he got hit in the head with that tool box? I think that, that eye in the season 6 tiny preview was him waking up from being hit in the head. I hope that they dont go back in time because i believe that Jack and Kate BELONG together. Anyway CANT wait till the final season begins, though it is sad it will be the last one.

sorry the comment above. my name is actually Rachel

Rachel- when they showed Jack’s eye opening, that was him waking up in the 1st season in the forest after the crash. So either that is just showing that as a reference or it was showing that the plane crashed again and he was waking up. Well what ever ends up happening, I can’t wait until season six. Even though it will be very sad to watch those last 17 episodes!

I think Jacob will take over Jacks body. Remember in the season 4 finale when Jack told Desmond he would “see him in another life”…i think that other life will be when Jacob has taken over Jacks body.

This show does have a lot of religious overtones and the ability of the dead to reappear helps to provide an idea that life is eternal, e.g. Hurley talking to Libby and Charlie. I don’t know about the whole Jacob and Essau thing but definitely there is a war between good and evil.

I was so surprise to realize that John had been possessed by “loop hole” guy and that by playing on Ben’s insecurities, he had been manipulated into killing his “deity”. Locke 2.0 definitely was not an improved version, but i am anxious to see what the glitches in the upgrade are!

The Latin that Alpert spoke in response to “What lies in the shadow of the statue” was “Ille qui nos omnes servabit.” This is literally translated as “That man who will save us all.” The “ille” is a masculine pronoun, so it is definitely referring to a man, not a woman.

As these events are on a loop, I can say that season 5 finale was lived before season 4. So Ben could summon the smokey. I am almost sure that Locke gave Ben order to kill Dharma Folks.
This show, I think, what John Locke imagines. I believe that, he is in big deep coma. And he is experimented with a new magnetic device. So he made up this story in his mind because of that magnetism.
During his treatment, there was an accident. Now Locke is under quarantine. I believe that he can not even open his eyes. And the rest of the people of the show are in the same hospital. And John Locke got all information because of that magnetic devise. He hears. He thinks. He knows what is going on. But he can not even wiggle his finger. That’s my opinion.

i think the statue is something to do with the death of pregnant women, before the incident Amy gave birth to Ethan, and she didnt die. But my guess is when the incident happens it destroys the statue, and when it is destroyed in unables the women to give birth

Josh-
if that was the case..Claire would’ve died giving birth to Aaron..right?

idk if josh is right but the four toed statue a.k.a. Tawaret when the statue was destroyed it stopped women from being able to concieve babies on the island if u got pregnant off the island and went to the island ud be fine but sun got pregnant on the island and if she would have stayed up til conception she would have died but she got off the island

I think its to do with Christianity. Research all their names etc.

omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! season six…i think its all a scientific test…and when they die in the show they really wake up in the real world…and find out that non of it was real

All very interesting comments. Noone mentioned Aeron. Since the very first season we new Claire’s baby could only be raised by Claire. Why didnt Claire want Kate to bring him back to the island?? Why is Aeron so important?

Plz keep the feedback and theorys coming.
January 10th is a long time away !!!

Here goes my theories/ideas:

I think that the answer to the “what lies in the shadow of the statue” question refers to currently dead John lying on the beach. I’m guessing somehow he really does come back to life, most likely by Richard. It will be in order to get back at the man that took Locke’s form to get Jacob killed. John will either rid the island of the “devil” guy or make it so he can’t ever do harm again.

As for everybody enjoying the Hydrogen bomb going off, I have some theories too. First of all I think that Dr. Chang’s hand is not lost due to Miles saving him, thus showing you can change the past after all. I think the bomb does go off, but it doesn’t blow up the island. They end up having to build the hatch to contain it though. The blast sends our main cast back to their correct time, where Jacob has just been killed and has said “they’re coming”.

Back in the time of the bomb going off, the guy in charge of the drilling (guy with long hair and glasses, forget his name atm) gets some kind of radiation poisoning and can’t stop saying the serial number on the hatch. He in turn ends up in the mental hospital with Hurley and thus the numbers thing begins. If you look at the episode showing the guy Hurley gets the numbers from, he looks very much like the guy in charge of the drilling for the hatch (aged of course).

Does anyone know the relevance to Richard visiting Locke in the foster home when Locke was a child?

I agree with Nick about his theory about Radzinsky. The eye we see is juliets and the white flash at the end of season 5 is the flash which sends them through time.

Claire is alive… so is Jack’s dad …NOW… I think Ben has ben a tool since day one from the bad locke.

remeber when ben was in the ‘real world’ and he phones chalres up and said ill kill ur daughteer penny, as he went uip to her with the gun, a baby came out from in the boat, called charlie, maybie he was named after charlie or is that the original chrlie just gone through a loop hole and sent the island, to met desomnd again and theirfore the loop never stops. yes if charlie sees desmond then he would recognise his own dad, but charlie and desmond did get along really, well and i THINK (Not 100% sure) i tbink he said he dosnt remmeber his dad much.

Nick- good theory about how hurley got the numbers. Ive considered that as well.

Im surprised to see that nobody has mentioned Micheal or Walt. I know the actor who plays Walt is prolly about 45 by now but think back to Season 1, Episode 14 Special. When we Micheal learns that Walt is special. Or why the “others” kidnapped him and were so interested in him and why they thought he was special. Then throughout the season he appears before Shannon and before Locke. Or is Season 1 when Locke teaches him how to play Bagammon. he tells him its a game of Light vs Dark. Then he asks Walt is he would like to know a secret. Ithink we assume that the secret was about him being in a wheelchair. But what if the secret was acuatly the whole punch line of the show. That he is actually somebody else. We never really get a follow up on Walt.

Im interested to see if that story line is pursured.

Also Desomond says it often. See u in another life. He knows that he has multiple lifes to lead. And that his happiness with Penny isnt meant to be.

I can’t wait for Season 6! See you all in another life Brotha!

Sam …
When u see the baby in the boat with Desmond, that is his and Pennys baby… he just named him charlie after his friend…:D

Nick:

I don’t believe that Leonard (Guy in mental institute that always repeats the numbers) is Radzinsky. Back in Season 2 when Desmond first got to the island, Kelvin said that he and Radzinsky worked together in the hatch. Later he told Desmond to look up at big red spot on the ceiling and said that was were Radzinsky blew his brains out with a gun. I think that Leonard was a Dharma worker that managed to leave the island at some point.

Couldn’t it be that Penny and Desmond named their son after charles widmore? Thus charlie…

I so think that Michelle is right with everything. I think your dead on.

Well i think like everybody that the flash at the end of the season 5 is the flash of time travelling. But… They must go in past because if they go in futur… they will be dead (because of the bomb).. I Don’t know if you undertsand what im trying to say but. They will go in past to prevent the dhorma people to come on the island. Maybe,maybe not

After that,

Where the hell is claire?

Where the black-rock boat come from?

Why is there two John Locke.

What is the black smoke creature?

What will happen with Desmond if the Bunker has’nt been build ?

That’s what we’re going to discover in the season 6 of Lost.

BY THE WAY I AM SURE THAT BEN KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING.

William

I don’t really have many theories I’m ready to share yet but I do note a point that i’m not sure if all of you have considered yet.

Jacob is only dead in the future but not in the past! in this case mabie the guys in the past will actually interact with jacob in the past before they eventually go back to their normal time. I think Jacob will use the original oceanic flight members to defeat Jacob’s nemesis.

Jacob seems to have control of time and space so I’m sure he knew he was going to die but deemed it neccessary to the “big plan” that we all know is there in the background.

ok..
so i really hope that the season will start with everyone waking up on the plane again, but they all have flashbacks as to what happened on the island. all the residual memories will make them get together and stuff.
just a theory, i know its a long shot but i cant help hoping that all the people who died will come back

I just had a Flashback lol I remember when Boon transported Locke into the past when he was ready to board the plane oceanic. Locke saw Benjamin Linus at the airport… But that is impossible because when The plane crash Ben is already on the island…

Can someone here put some theorys?

also i was watching the first season again and remembered adam and eve in the caves. could they be rose and bernard?

By the way guyz i made a trailer of Lost season 6 if you wanna see it follow the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6xwdSF0TTo

Some thoughts, the mystry man with Jacob on the beach, I believe is as powerful as Jacob. Maybe Egyptian Gods. The loophole to kill jacob maybe is when Ben entered the temple to be punished for letting his daughter be killed was met by the smoke monster. The smoke monster appeared and told Ben he save his life but would have to completely obey Locke in which Ben must agree. The Locke figure is the mystry man from the beach who disquised himeslf as Locke and since he cannot kill Jacob himself must become Locke and order Ben to kill Jacob. To get this done the only thing that was present when Ben agreed was the smoke monster. I beleive the smoke monster and the mystry man are the same.

The second thing is that I also noticed when the Juliet strikes at the bomb the light is the same as it was when the island time shifted? Did the bomb go off or did a time shift happen?

How can Daniel be killed by his mother before he was born, some paradox.

Ok here are my theories:

1. At the very end of season 6 the problems with jacob will be solved and just like in the beggining of season 3 but with the real locke or sawyer (who knows..) a plane will break in 2 in the air and the leader will get out of his house in the dharma zone and send 1 guy to each part of the plane. When the bomb explode maybe they didnt reversed the oceanic crash but they did appeared in the oceanic plane before it fall by another reason.

2. I like the idea that the appear in the ajira plane and crash like in season one.
But i got a question that i think it will be very important in season 6, how did the ajira plane crashed?? we all know that the hatch causes the crash in the oceanic flight but when the ajira plane goes down there is no hatch and its a little odd.

In season 6 i think instead of flashforwards theyre will be flashes of an alternate timeline and what happens to them if they never go to the island and then it will flash back to present island dealing with the unlocke and richard storyline.

Try not to pay too much attention to the specifics and pay close attention to the characters.

Look at the way these characters compare.

Jacob and John Locke. Jacob is a faithful man who believes in the good nature of people.

Loophole man and Jack. Loophole man is angry and frustrated with Jacob. He clearly wants to push things his way, just like Jack does through out the series.

Take the scene on the beach with Jacob and loophole. Just replace Jacob and loop hole man with Locke and Jack, keeping the same dialogue, expressions and overall mannerisms. It fits nicely, doesn’t it? I’m not sure what to make of this clear observation, but it’s obvious that something will relate in Season 6 to these character similarities.
I don’t feel that the devil/God scenario is quite accurate either. I think that Jacob is a wiser, better guy, but Jacob and loophole are both able to do good and bad. Locke and Jack both make great and poor decisions and their actions are both good and bad through out the series. I feel that Jacob may be placing a bet to show how people can be good/changed/redeemed. But, this wager in itself is wrong and playing with people like this is not right. Jacob has used time to find moments to change things. He knew how to manipulate Sayid: Kill Nadia. This is a bad way of getting someone to do something!! It worked, but it’s such a sad way of getting to make Sayid move into action. The Others have used brutal manipulation and hostile actions to change these character’s minds. If they are following Jacob and Jacob is God, then why would he let such poor hostility happen? It’s all to make them make a decision.

I feel that in season 6 we might see very similar conflicts with Jacob and loophole in the past that we have seen all over the place with john and jack. We might see splitting of camps and people choosing which leader is better. Ultimately this will end up with a camp of Others that follow Jacob and camp of others who follow the loophole guy. A war that destroys the statue is likely.

Dead is obviously not dead. The writers have said that we will see a lot of characters we haven’t seen since season 1. How could this be? It should be clear that there is an alternate plane of existence for the dead. The whispering is a sign of this. That and we have seen dead characters appear all around to certain characters. Hurley, for example, is one character that can talk with the dead.

Another fun note is in the finale with Jacob, we see him threading rope together in the first sequence. This is conceptual design by the directors and writers to show that Jacob has threaded the lives of these people together.

I’m a huge Lost fan and I can’t wait to see what these conflicts and character dynamics will bring us. These writers are geniuses and what they will bring us will blow our socks, hats, and faces right off. My main prediction that I am the most proud of:

I have a feeling that Ben is the key to EVERYTHING. Without his existence, so much of what these characters did would not have happened. Ben became the man he is because of what happened when Sayid shot him and he was given to the others. His adult existence further created a chain of events through these characters that has lead us to where we will begin in Season 6, wherever that will be. Ben will finally die somewhere down the line. He has had so many opportunities to die. Like with the Charlie thing, Desmond found out that the universe keeps course correcting to eventually kill a person. That is their path. Ben should have died with the gunshot wound as a kid. Or with the cancer, or with any number of times he has encountered angry people with fists and guns ready! Through the cheating of knowing what will happen next and what the characters are emotionally invested in, Ben has kept himself alive. His existence is of the most importance. He had to be kept alive to eventually kill Jacob. That might be the main purpose of his existence. Now, since all of the events that have lead to loophole man being reborn/Jacob’s death, Ben is useless. Ben will now turn over and defend his pride, thus fighting against the forces of what have lead him to be washed up leader that he was. He will ultimately fight for the better of the 815 people, but something very sad will happen. That, or ben will stay an evil force and bend the world into destruction!!! Only Dameon Lindeloft, Carlton Curse, and Matthew Fox know the ending. Obviously Jack’s character is extremtly important too, and I don’t even know where to begin on that note. I CAN’T WAIT FOR JANUARY!

A few theories. Thus just hit me so throws one out the door. Google me, frankii filmtv lost theory for a blog somewhere.

Anyway. The bomb works. It opens with Jack opening his eyes. He remembers everything. Only it’s a day before the crash. He’s in bed. They all remember and decide to get in the plane to see what happens.
The shocker? Desmond was never on the second flight so he wakes up in the hatch. He tells his friend. Not to push the button. It’s the only way. They somehow all get on the plane and return. Jacob said, they are coming. They are. Hugo goes on to find save Libby Charlie. Kate. She has no choice. Locke we knows goes on. Jin goes on as his wife us missing. She is already on the island. Rise and Bernard, poor things, they were just about to retire. Hugo goes to airport and boards looking fir Charlie. Maybe he is not there. Penny remebers eveything so makes sure there is no first boat. They crash. Find Desmond. He us awaiting them. Everyone like Ben are stuck. Waiting fir the plane. We also flashback to see the infamous dr incident recording.

Locke 1 might not be on plan as he is dead and unless he has ties all the way back to Egypt, I can see him as a king, I hope he ends up a good guy and kills Jacobs enemy. Anyway it could be something like this.

Hey guys i’m Julian, and i also wish to send my LOST Season 6 Theory out. Call me crazy but i have alot to specify about, :p. First of all, giving all my credit to Nick about this one, when Ilana quote: “What lies in the shadow of the statue?” Richard responded with translated from the show: “The one who will save us all..”. I think that since Locke’s helpless body was within the “shadow of the statue” i think that the “real” locke will battle flocke or “fake locke”. Now on to my theory about “The Incident”, Jughead. I think that the incident wasn’t an explosion, i think rather that it was “one last final time jump” signifing the white backround logo at the end of the season 5 finale. Otherwise i think that their bodies like Jack, Kate, etc, were the Dharma bodies found in that massive Dharma pit back in season 3. This could mean ne of two things: either that this is what Richard meant when he told Sun that he “Watched them all die”, or it could mean that by wanting to change the past, they created the past itself seeing those bodies with one name which strikingly said “LaFleur” which was Sawyer, sadly. However if it really isnt them in which im hoping that means, good things.
Earlier in which i stated the “Final time jump” this also could be one of two things happening. One this could mean that they are jumping to time year 2007 in which before Jacob’s “Death” he said “They’re coming”. Or this could mean that the full Oceanic Flight 815 is coming. This could be proven by facts because in recent reports, Charlie Pace, Juliet Burke, Mr. Eko, Boone Carlyle, & Daniel Faraday, are all coming back for Season 6 (Believe it or not, Yes Boone, Eko, Daniel & Charlie! they are all my favourites! lol, Juliet too but yea). Anyways i have a feeling that this final time jump will combine the two periods so two Lockes will be present as well as all of the past dead characters or presumed dead (Charlie could’ve escaped from drowning but didnt show it, Ian Somerhalder doesn’t even know if he will still be dead, or alive in the sixth season, etc). This is also proven by the Season Six final casting poster promo, as it has all of the alive charcters with the dead characters all in a row, with Locke in the middle, with his back turned (which was a nice little touch). But this was also a clue saying that this isn’t Locke but Smokey/Esau taking his form. Also my last clue is that Charles Widmore telling John in “The Life & Death of Jeremy Bentham”, that there will be a war coming. This war will be between the ones that Jacob touched off the island and his “canidates”, and between Esau’s/Smokey’s people that he took control of and projected as hallucinations i believe. Like Christian, etc. But i also believe that Aaron, Ji Yeon, and Walt will come back to the island, and help during the war. I also believe that Season 6 could also be about coming back “full circle” before the war begins. This would explain Christians shoe in Pilot Part 1, and Ben’s baton on the floor next to Jack when he wakes up. I think that it will come back full circle to Pilot Part 1, and thats why the old charcters are all coming back, but this time it will fill in LOST peices and characters like Boone Carlyle, Charlie Pace, will have chances to fix their mistakes and each old & new character from all the past seasons will be given immortality and the chance to never age like Richard citing once again because they are the best examples, Charlie, Boone & Ana Lucia. As well as Jack would become the leader of the island for a while, then a much older Aaron would take over in place of Jacob’s place. Also to mention the original and new charcters that were on the good side would win the war, Jacob’s side. I believe the final scene for “LOST” would be Jack’s Eye Closing, which would be a direct contrast to the Pilot Part 1. This would be the BEST ENDING FOR “LOST”, in my opinion, and the BEST Season to a Phenomonal Show, possibly one of the best of its generation. This seems to be very fitting but if it isn’t, i definately im still looking forward to what Damon and Carlton have in store for us, geez I CANT WAIT FOR SEASON SIXXX!!!.

~Julian.

i think that at the very end they will all be back on the plane like it never happend, and the plane will land instead of crashing

LOST is an amazing show and I just want to say I love everybodys theories. I agree with the fact that they will all wake up before they board 815, but they will remember everything that happened to them on the island. That will make them all want to come back including Walt/Aaron. I think that Claires mom will somehow end up on the plane and take Aaron with her back to the island. The plane will crash and what Jacob said “They are coming” will be the start of the war that will close out the show.

I also agree with the fact that the pit with the Dharma members bodies will include Kate, Jack, Sawyer(Lafluer), Jin, and the rest of the group from 1977. Except Sayid’s body will be in the Dharma van in Roger’s suit/ This will tie together with the fact that Richard said that he saw them all die. This will make for an interesting finale to the show.

Well thats all for now and I can’t wait for LOST to start again so I can see what happens to Kate(my favorite charactor), Sawyer, Sayid, Locke, and all the rest of the charactors.

Kenny

I read that Dharma’s name for the smoke monster was Cerberus. In Greek and Roman mythology, Cerberus is the 3-headed hound that guards the gates of Hades.

I aslo can’t ignore the allusions to flight 316… as in John 3:16… as in John Locke – Savior.

Can’t wait for Season 6.

I just finished season 5 last night and I am so depressed at the prospect of waiting for season 6…but I do have a few theories. I won’t name them all, that would take a long time, but my main “epiphany” is regarding Jacob and his Nemesis. They seem almost Biblical, but obviously not in the traditional sense. God vs. Satan and all the losties are pawns in their ancient battle. I don’t think they are time travelers, I think Jacob represents God.

When Jacob and His nemesis (lets call him Satan) were on the beach, they looked at the ship and Satan said that Jacob had brought them (humans) there to prove him wrong, and that they will just corrupt and destroy everything (i.e. humans & sin???). This seems biblical to me. Satan can’t kill Jacob; he needs to corrupt Jacobs pawns in order for it to be done…in other words, in the biblical sense, this would be Satan corrupting humans into sin, and forcing them to turn away from god? I’m not religious, and do acknowledge there are aspects of many other mythologies in the show too.

I also noticed that after Jacob died (if he is really dead, that is debatable) lost ended with black writing on a white background, when it is usually white writing on a black background. Maybe this indicates a shift to “the other side”. Satan in power? I think the show is ultimately about those two, and everyone else is just a pawn in their game.

Let me know what you think?

Ok so I came up with a “BIG PICTURE” theory that would tie up a lot of the other happenings… now I don’t like my theory and really hope there’s more to it… but after watching and interview of the directors, they said a lot of people will be disappointed which makes me think i have a chance of being right… so here it is: I notice that the overall plot seems to have a lot of reference to internal struggle the dark shadow, good vs evil, the conflicting characters, real locke vs fake locke… etc… but the continuous want to go back to the island always comes from Jack due to unresolved conflict, basically his life sucked at home. In summery I believe the entire island is a figment of Jacks mind and that the show is about his internal struggle and basically hes mentally insane. Theres a movie that used this plot, about these people with the same birthday (or something) stuck in a motel together trying to find the murderer I can’t remember what it’s called but I see some strong similarities. The movie came down to killing of the other personalities (or people) to determine the overpowering ruler of the crazy guys mind. I could go on more in depth but over all it kinda works. that would also explain why hurly is crazy, because that is the personality of jack he represents. This would explain the final image being the eye which i do believe is jacks and also give the title lost a deeper meaning of being mentally lost rather then physical… I’m just going to throw this out there. love to hear what any one else thinks of this.

I Have the greatest theory ever.

The numbers: 4-8-15-16-23-42
Desmond said he is saving the world doing this. Maybe it is a countdown for the end of the world?

4years 8months 15weeks 16days 23min 42 secs

If you calculate it, it is exactly 5years.
The countdown of the 5years starts when the shelter explode.

I think that Jack,Kate,Sawyer,Hugo,Gyn,sun,miles,juliet,etc… are going in the past so they stop the countdown from starting and so, save the end of the world.

Comment on this theory please.

Chelsea, I remember that movie…It was called Identity and what a waste of 2hrs! I really hope you are wrong

The plot has been genius so far so hopefully the writers come up with something original to conclude Cant wait for season 6!!!!!

You guys have it all wrong. If we’ve learned anything from watching lost, it’s that NOTHING is what it seems. The writers go out of their way to throw in plot twists. They always wait till the very end to show you the full story of any scenario. My personal take on the Man in Black and Jacob? the Man in Black is good and Jacob is bad. The writers wouldn’t make it that obvious! wake up people. yes, this is a good\evil – light\dark struggle but it’s not what you think. Jacob may very well be the master manipulator and the man in black is trying to put a stop to this game. think about it, re-watch the season finale again and you’ll catch the little things that make my point valid.

will that’s actually such a good theory!!

Andre, you make a good point! I wouldn’t be surprised if as you say Jacob is the master manipulator and The other guy is the good guy. Interesting…

Andre you make a great point. I would have never thaught of looking at it like that but now that I think about it your theory makes perfect sense.

Kenny

Watching over the episodes from the earlier seasons after having seen the finale for season 5, makes it really evident that the entire show is based on an extremely circular pattern. As if everything is going in a loop – Hatch button doesn’t get pressed so plane crashes so the 815 passengers explore, get involved with the others, try to get off, their actions influence the events leading up to the “Incident” when the bomb DOES go off, which poses the need to build the hatch in the first place, which in turn crashes the airplane and the loop is set in action over and over. However, the Man in Black, the FLocke, Anti-Locke, Esau whoever he is, finds a HOLE in the LOOP of all those events, therefore HE is the answer to the plane either never crashing.
To branch out to my theory of why their lives will not go on in a loop once again…
I believe that Jacob and the other guy both represent Choice and Destiny. I think that since the survivors of 815 wish to reset everything so that none of their misery ever happens, they are actually on Anti-Locke’s side, as he is trying to reset something, to be in charge, or whatever. And I think Jacob perceives it in a way that every character has a choice, and I think ultimately he will be right and the characters will realize that it IS their destiny to be on the island and to influence the events that take place there, but I think that Jacob knows that everyone has a choice and things could go a different way if they dont choose HIS way, but they somehow achieve the understanding that they will consciously choose that they want to stay on the island.
I think that all these developments will take place in their “proper” time period – 2007 – and when Jack’s eye opens in season 6 is after the Ajira crash, because remember, his eye opened the same way after they crashed there for the second time.
Hope any of that made sense! I just dont think I can articulate my theory very well, but in my head this makes a lot of sense.Lol

randomness…. when jack, kate sawyer,jin and all them are back in time, loophole man was jack. He really died but loophole man pulled a body snatch again. woohoo!

there are too many things that make jacob look suspicious.
1) cooking up the red herring during the into of the season finale which represents a deliberate attempt to change a subject or divert an argument
2)bringing the black rock and the passengers of flight 815 to the island. what “god” or good guy would purposely bring people to a strange place and have them suffer just to prove a point to MiB.
3)if you really pay attention, you’ll find that jacob has a cocky attitude about him.
4) how can he let Nadia die.
5) how he answers Ben (“what about you”). What “god” or good guy does that.
6) how he touches or enters into the lives of jack,Kate,sawyer, jin,sun, hurley etc.. Not to make their lives better, but in a way makes their lives harder from that moment on or even worse than it was before.
7) brings john back to life and keeps him crippled so that he stays bitter.
actually gives Sawyer a pen so that he can finish writing the letter to the man who killed his parents.
Ben never actually seeing Jacob until the season finale.

By the way, the one major thing to take away from Jacob reading “Everything That Rises Must Converge” is that “human weaknesses are exposed and important moral questions are explored through everyday situations”. (Wikipedia) not exactly the book you want your savior to be reading while bouncing around time “choosing” people. Not to sound like a broken record but i say again, I don’t believe that Jacob is exactly “good”. any other incite to this theory would be great and as always, thanks for reading.

Also on a side note: We dont know too much about Richard but from what i can see from Ben, he is yet another example of “don’t judge a book by it’s cover”. it’s weird enough that ben knew to go back to the island to “be judged” but whats weirder is that out of all the wrong doings Ben has done, the only thing he was “judged” for was the death of his daughter. Why was that the only single point of interest smokey focused on. I don’t have an answer for this one. But, all in all I’m glad that some people out there are thinking out of the box and are seeing things that aren’t so blunt.

I can go on and on but my point is that Jacob, or the entity in Jacobs body is not what he seems.

re-watch the season finale again other key episodes and you’ll catch the little things that make my point valid.

Thanks for reading,

@Andre… Good points, compelling argument! (Well spotted with the red herring – I thought ol’ Jacob was just cooking a humble fish dinner!) Knowing how complex and ‘twisted’ this show is, I wouldn’t be surprised if you are absolutely right.

I’m still trying to work out the different factions as well… i.e. Ilana’s crew – they don’t seem to be working for either Widmore or Ben, so if they really are ‘the good guys’ who do they work for? And like Lapidus said, “the one’s that go out of their way to tell you they’re the good guys are usually the bad guys”… (did you see the look Bram gave Frank when he said that? Hmmm… that look meant something…)

Widmore sent Miles and co to the island (and told John that if he didn’t get back to the island, the ‘wrong side’ was going to win the coming war)… but Bram/ Ilana’s crew told Miles (when they shoved him into the van in flashback) that he was on the wrong side and he should join them. Now if wrong and right are relative to what side you are on… AAGHHH! My brain hurts!!!

I wonder why Jacob would have been in a cabin in the middle of the woods, surrounded by a circle of ash? Was it for his protection, or to trap him there coz he’s dangerous?

I’m starting to wonder if it is as simple as good and evil, etc. or if it is much more of a grey area. But I do agree that Jacob is not all that he seems to be.

@Andre again… About Ben’s ‘judgement’. I think that Locke-alike and Smokey are connected, if not the same entity. Obviously you noticed that ‘John’ disappeared to get a rope to help Ben, then ‘Alex’ appeared (eventually) and told Ben to follow ‘Locke’ no matter what… then ‘John’ appeared again after ‘Alex’ disappeared. IMO, this is the same entity manifesting as both [dead] characters… it’s all necessary to con and manipulate Ben into becoming the weapon with which to kill Jacob. Alex was the only real leverage/ motivation that could be used out of EVERYTHING else in Ben’s life to achieve the desired effect, hence the only thing he was ‘judged’ for.

The look of surprise on Locke-alike’s face when Ben told him that he was ordered to do whatever he wanted – that was feigned, and all part of the act.

BTW did you notice how when Ben summoned the Smoke Monster at his house… when he heard rustling in the jungle and told Sun to go “coz whatever’s coming out of those trees is something I cannot control…”, it was Locke-alike that came crashing out of the jungle? That was such a blatant hint that I almost thought it was a double-bluff, too obvious to be real!

Andre I agree with you. What we have learned from LOST is the nothing is as it seems. You would think Jacob is “good” but you make vaild points. I guess we will have to wait till Destiny Calls ro see if your theories are right.

Kenny

Juliette = the smoke monster.

Thats my only theory for the next season so far, i dont want to try and guess anything else.
I just want Lost to finish awesomely, answer the big questions/mysteries and for it makes sense . The main thing is i dont want to be trying to figure out what happened for a year (im sure they could write something THAT confusing!!)

OK some interesting stuff here… One thing about Jacob’s strange manorisms… If you were hundreds of years old wouldn’t you be a bit quirky? I personally think he is good and those subtle things have just been added for the enquiring minds to be thrown. Besides he hasn’t said or attempted to kill anyone. I also think he’s genuinly protecting the Island. With regards to the end of season 6… My faith in the Lost Writers has been shaken and I think that a majority of people will be disapointed with how the whole thing ends up. They originally said that ALL questions will be answered… well errr now it seems that some will get answered “the ones that are relevant”. I hope that it isn’t a lame ending considering how fantastic and ground breaking… not to mention outragously popular the show has become. But I get a gut feeling that it will leave a sour tatse in the mouth of many lost fanatics, as if it were all for nothing.

We shall have to wait and see…..

i think all of u guys are thinking wayyyy to much ( well, actually lost is a tv show that can make u kinda crazy) u guys all think that al goes around jonh lock…. but the thing is the only constant i can see in the show is jack… what i mean is that jack is ” the man ” …. pilot : jack wakes up… when they start time traveling : jack wakes up again , in the same place , but 30 years back in time and now in the final season again jack waking up in the same place, fresh from the plane crash,,, come on !!

the hatch numbers are the episode numbers that you need to re watch , that gives you the clues, such as sawyer telling jack he had already seen him die, does this mean jack died on the plane and sawyer saw this before he and everyone else died. the island would then be some sort of after life. when the children were take away from the second group of lostees which included anna lucia, it was because they had not done any sins in their real life, they would have been taken out of pergutry.

also why is the black smoke afraid of ekos cross, the first time it tries to take echos life.

Well, I think that it probably is some kind of repeating cirlce. When Jacob says to the other guy ‘they come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt, it always ends the same, it only happens once, anything before that is just progress”, I think this refers to them seeing a continual circle ever repeating itself. We have seen the characters from the plane come to the island, fight with the islanders/others, destroy lives/relationships/the island, and then corrupt each other. Actions they make when in the past affects their reason for being there in the present (no explosion/no hatch etc).Possibly at some point something transports them all back to the beggining again and the whole story starts again, and maybe the whole of humanity is also forever circling also somehow. Now, what if jacob and the guy are infact working together? They could be trying to end the circle, find the loophole. There is reference to pressing the button saving the world? By not pressing the button, the chain of events is started ending in possibly the end of the world? But maybe it doesn’t end, just starts again? And the loophole is trying to break the circle so humanity can continue. The not locke person might not be the guy jacob was talking to.
This might not make sense as actually my theory developed whilst writing it!
But there are so many other questions that need to be anwered that I am scared they wont answer them all, and we’ll be forever wondering..what about this? what about that? I hope thats not the case.
Cant wait till new series, hope u all enjoy it! xx

In season six, instead of flashbacks and flashforwards they might show an alternate timeline of what happens if they never crash, and how there lives diverge and probably end tragically. Then it will flash back to whats happenin in the timeline with richard and non locke.
It could happen :D:D

WOW… All these theories and what everyone thinks piecing everything together… makes you really think about whats going on… Lost is INSANE and theres soo much going on…

DOes anyone have an answer to my question as to why after the flight of 316 in the season 5 finale, why didn’t Sun go to where Kate, Jack and Sayid went after the crash?? I don’t get why she was with Frank and them… it doesn’t make sense to me…

ANd I am in awe to think of what happens after the last finale…

What happened to Juliet??

I don’t think she dies… I think the bomb does send them back to before the 815 crash, with the knowledge of EVERYTHING that just happened, like maybe they all wake up on the plane and look at each other weird or something… as for the rest of the people, I have no idea whats going to happen…

I like all the different theories everyone has for Locke and Jacob and Mystery Man…

I think that Locke getting Ben to kill Jacob is mystery mans loophole… Jacob says something like that to Locke, fake locke, whatever, and Locke replies that yes, he did or something… but yeah…

and the they’re coming… not sure bout that… I don’t wanna look too much into it cuz I just have no idea, the possiblilities are endless!!

Hi All…

just had a really wierd thought …

RA => eqyptian god

R A
Richard Alpert

?????

hi all, still working on theory but as a response to Mary’s question about Sun appearing in different area than the other losties, maybe something to do with her having a baby ? cant remeber if it was conceived on island or before they got to island.

i think the hole story talks about an aliens came out of space and created a great civilization on the island and the hole idea of it was to study the human nature – their minds and feelings and all the conflicts-
so jacob – the last one of the aliens – started all this chaos and the other man who saind he wil find a loophol, saw in Locke the only solution to end it by killing jacob
for jack and the others the end will be by getting on the plane without any crash
but even thought they wil meet again in other situations,locke will die because finally he found a reason for his life and he will rest in piece
for the other parts i just have no idea
and the only question i wanna know about is where is jack’s father from all this show

Does anyone have any insight into Desmond and Penny? Especially since Penny and Charlie are in Flash Forward.

Ok lost is all about the “small things”. So on that note here is my two cents. I am a pretty firm believer of what happens happnens. The MAIN reason I say that is Dr.Chang’s hand is a fake in the swan video from season two. And Dr. Chang’s hand was really really hurt in the season finally when the pocket was released. Meaning that if jack, miles, and sahid didnt tell Chang to stop then he wouldnt have had his hang injured. Make sense?

Now I think that its a strong possibility that they do go to LAX in the season 6 premier. After all the first episode is LA X. But I think something will go wrong and they realize they need to go back and fix it and make everything “happen for a reason”.

As far as what Jacob says at the end “they are coming” I think its the creators of the island. After all if jacob and the “unknown” were the main characters then UNKNOWN wouldnt have been so threaten when he said that!

I think its going to be an amazing season, they are for sure going to take out all the stops. However I am currently going back and watching all the seasons now and noticing little things that HAVE to happen. Which makes me think no matter what happens if/when the bomb went off that they will set it all the same.

Plus to be honest, I would kind of be upset if the last 5 seasons didnt mean anything, and I am sure the writers would make all the seasons have a significant meaning!

lol, in addition think about all the questions that still need to be answered…

1. skeletons in season 1 with the white and black stones? 2. Smoke monster. 3. Where did the numbers come from? 4. How the conflict with Ben and Whitmore started? 5. Richard etc etc etc

I just think if the bomb really resets everything, then none of those questions will be answered right?

Plus with the first episode of the season being LA X (with a space between LA and X) I think the bomb is really the “incident” which causes all the problems in the hatch, and all of the characters are sent to 2010 (hence the X)!!!!

I will attempt to answer the questions in regards to Jacob and the man in black the best I can, in no particular order:

Much like the computer game MYST, which LOST resembles in a variety of ways, the island inhabits two men in control (in LOST’s case, Jacob and the man in black). The game allows the player to believe that one is good and one is evil, when in reality, the player learns that are both evil in the end. I believe that this is also the case in LOST. Although Jacob has presented himself as the good guy up to this point, he may indeed have his own selfish agenda.

I believe that there are two smoke monsters on the island, one is the spirit of Jacob, the other is the spirit of the man in black. Both smoke monsters have the ability to take the form of a BODY THAT IS NOT BURIED!!! This is why “The truce” between Dharma and the Others requires the dead to be buried. This is also why all of the dead people who have been seen walking on the island (excluding in dreams) has not been buried (Christian, Locke, Claire, etc). The monsters can take the form of Walt even though he is not dead, that is what makes him “special”.

Jacob and the man in black are under the juridication of The Island. The Island, which may end up being a character in itself (the good guy), has a set of rules that governs over everyone. These rules have been cited by Jacob/man in black, Ben/Whitmore, etc. I believe that Richard is on the island to assure that everyone is obiding by these rules.

Let me know what you think! Am I on to something or complete off base? hahah

Hi Sorry if something like this is posted only read half so far …

Has anyone given anymore thought to the fact that jacks dad ( if the coffin ) Came back to life on the island and was wearing plimpsoles?? not formal shoes ?? and then when locke is being brought back to the island he is put in differnt shoes too?? what does this have to do with anything at all? just wondering if they have something in common like maybe anti jacob took over his body too but we never knew??

Hense why christian said at the frozen wheel i cant help you you have to do it alone ( or sometyhing of the sort??) because he couldnt physically do it himself or it would be like against the rules or something (loophole)

what im trying to say is that anti jacob may have been christian too… then locke.. and then maybe aaron i dont know but i think it could just be going in circles.

Also You know when jack is at a hotel or somewhere and the fire alarm goes off and then he sees his dad?? well i think that that was the black smoke.. hense the smoke alarm being activated ?? so can the smoke travel through time and place?? hmm let me know x

Mb20 i agree very clever x

I was thinking -

when Locke 2.0 finally meets Jacobs in the finale, thats pretty much directly under the statue? Like, maybe Jacob was the ‘Man who would save us all’. Because, yeah, he was in the shadow… and I’m sorry, but I can’t believe Jacob is really dead unintentionally. We’re talking about the Island personified here, do you really think he’d let himself get killed that easily?
Also, I agree that Ben knows what he was doing. Just a feeling.
I just no for sure that Jacob – Jacob who is like, y’know, as powerful as God – would let himself get killed so easily. Sorry, thats silly. I also think that the series is going to end with a hell of a lot of questions unanswered. I think that we’ll get a brief conclusion, but some of the less important things wont be answered, which will leave the viewers, like, reeling.
Sorry, i go on, y’know.
I have never really trusted Locke either, I think he’s got a secret power hungry motive.
I think its really interesting the numbers think adding up to 5 years. I dont think its about the end of the world, but i doubt its going to be something irrelevant, the Lost creators are too clever for that.
So, yeah.

These are all really good theories. I have a few of my own. First off, i have a feeling that Richard is going to die this season towards the end, considering that one of the spoilers i read said that UnLocke beat up Richard in the first episode, this possibly means that Richard questions his loyalty to UnLocke and as punishment he loses his immortality. I believe that the cave skeletons are 2 of the Losties. As far as the Losties go, i believe that with the detonation of Jughead they do alter the future. Oceanic 815 will land in LAX, but because of the island’s “special” properties everyone will have their memories from the island, even though the plane never crashed. But as Eloise Hawking said back in Season 2,”the universe has a way of course correcting.” Sure Oceanic 815 may have landed safely, but they were destined to go to the island, maybe the Losties realize their mistake and get on another plane, this time piloted by Frank Lapidus which would explain Jeff Fahey’s being a main character this season. This could also explain the rumors of Faraday making an appearance, maybe he was on the second plane. Finally, i think the war Widmore was talking about will rage this season, and i think the Losties will be the 2 sides of it. What do you think?

What about Walt…..i thought we were going to be swept away by his super powers. And the shark with the Dharma logo on its tail. I really think that the writers arent even going to bother answering half the questions.

Okay, follow me on this… A sequence of events has been happening over and over forever. 815 crashes, things progress as we have seen, Jack and the others go to ’77, and they all die when they attempt to set off the bomb. Remember Richard saying he watched them all die? This happens every time. But this time something (I’m not sure what just yet) is different. This time they do set off the bomb and change things so that 815 lands safely at the start of the next cycle. However, the losties from the previous cycle are still on the island. They didn’t change things for themselves, but for the next versions of themselves in the cycle. I think we will see that group land safely and see what will happen with them, while the group we have been following continues to the final conflict. I believe that’s what Jacob and the man in black were talking about at the beginning of “The Incident”. Now that the cycle has been broken, they can finally approach the end.

I believe that ‘what lays in the shadow of the statue’ is actually “Jacob’s” cabin. This is why the cabin appears to move all of the time (constantly in the shadow of where the statue once was as the daylight changes).

If I guessed right that Jacob and the man in black are indeed both bad, then I believe that the cabin is actually owned by the “good guy,” whoever that may be. I think that maybe Jacob and the man in black enslaved the “good guy” there, while they carry out their game of free will vs. destiny. This could explain why Ilana said that Jacob “hasn’t be here (the cabin) in a very long time.” This would also explain Locke’s first encounter in the cabin, hearing a voice that said, “Help me.”

The Others and Locke probably have been fooled by Jacob and/or the man in black, into thinking the cabin belonged to Jacob (Christian aka Jacob or man in black giving instructions to Locke, etc). Although the cabin was supposedly burned down, I think it will still continue to appear. We will have to see.

Do you think this is possible, maybe?

Nate says:
August 11, 2009 at 9:03 pm
In season 6 i think instead of flashforwards theyre will be flashes of an alternate timeline and what happens to them if they never go to the island and then it will flash back to present island dealing with the unlocke and richard storyline.

i cpmletely agree with you,i’m pretty sure that’s how they will do it.alternate timeline instead of flashes.didn’t you get it already???in leaked episode summaries,both altered timeline and real timeline is present at season 6

omg, i wish lost was on now, i can’t wait for 2010!!! i think that the jacob and esua theory is quite valid, i want to know more about this statue. ooh if it turned out to all be a dream, how frustrating would that be!!! jack and kate should just be together and i can’t believe juliet fell down the hole an hit the bomb. i dont really get the whole time travel thing, if they set the bomb off would it just b the same in the future as it wer b4 cus it would have already happend? i agree with miles, what if that is the big incident that triggered the plane crash :S. i loved how the last season ended, so much mystery and suspense, i cant wait for the answers! bring on JAN 2010!

I have one prayer for this show. I am constantly astounded by the writing. Maybe its simply the contrast to all the crap on TV that it competes with in this generation of shows, or maybe it impresses me on its own merrit.

But in the way they like to catch us off guard, and in the way that they’ve delved into all kinds of relgious implications (almost every major religion on the world is represented) to paranormal events to psuedo-sciencefiction…

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON’T LET IT BE ALIENS…that would almost be as bad as the ‘waking from a dream’ cop-out.

has anyone realised that jacob looks a bit like an older version of aaron?

What lies in the shadow of the statue is “he who will save us all.” I had someone translate that for me.
That being said, has anyone stopped to consider that maybe the blonde guy inside the statue IS NOT Jacob? Maybe he’s actually the bad guy and maybe the guy in black clothing who becomes John 2.0 is Jacob? They never address eachother by name and John 2.0 is actually the one who is in the shadow of the statue. The blonde guy is inside, not in the shadow. Just some food for thought.

I just have a really small point to make! While reading over these posts, several people have mentioned Jacob killing Nadia. I didn’t see that scene as him killing Nadia rather him saving Sayid. Both were crossing the road to go into traffic, and Sayid held back in order to give directions- therefore he was never hit by the on coming traffic. Very excited for season 6!

“Locke 2.0″ does indeed refer to him as jacob. twice. ill qui nos omnes servabit means “he who will save and protect us all.” that means jacob. when richard arrived on the island in the 1800′s on the black rock (as seen from a distance in the season 5 finale opener when we firs met jacob” he was given the ability not to age by jacob. llana…jacobs daughter…and richard made a connection at the end of season 5. everyone who is there is there for a reason.

“they’re coming, as said by jacob before his death, i believe refers to those stuck in dharma in the 70′s who set off the bomb to fix the timeline and bring them all together.

maybe the bomb stops the plane from crashing in 2004. but even if it does…their destiny is to be together. thats why they were all touched by jacob. if they dont end up on island inthe crash in 2004, ajira flight 316 to guam will bring them there in 2007. it is their fate.

I dont know… I think Jacob is evil and manipulative. Everything that he did except for jack and the candy bar was nasty. And EVERYTHING he did led to them getting on the plane, which is not what they wanted. If he was nice and all knowing he would respect their wishes. I think the man in black doesnt want them to get to the island, which is why he looks so suprised when jacob said ‘Theyre coming’ (Meaning the losties). And also MIB is not evil. Like with Ben he convinced him to kill Jacob. Maybe its still manipulative but at least its what ben wanted to do.

Reply to: DJKofMaine says:
November 9, 2009 at 2:03 am
“Locke 2.0″ does indeed refer to him as jacob. twice. ill qui nos omnes servabit means “he who will save and protect us all.” that means jacob. when richard arrived on the island in the 1800’s on the black rock (as seen from a distance in the season 5 finale opener when we firs met jacob” he was given the ability not to age by jacob. llana…jacobs daughter…and richard made a connection at the end of season 5. everyone who is there is there for a reason.

I totally agree with this! That makes the most sense!

Also, Charlie wasn’t buried so why can’t the Man is black take over his body?

And what the hell is flash forward? does it have anything to do with lost? Can’t wait for Season 6!
BTW: That statue makes the hair on my arms stand straight up! At first the foot did but when i saw the whole thing it freaked me out! I think I ahve a statue phobia? Nayone else relate?

also, in “Namaste” christian show sun the picture of kate and those guys..anyways when he’s looking for the photo on the wall he says ’76, ’78, oh, here it is ’77. How did they have a ’78? and who is in THAT photo?? hmmmm..

Here is just a thought that popped into my head, though i’m probably wrong. What if when Jacob told UnLocke “They’re coming” he was referring to Desmond and Penny? Desmond got shot by Ben towards the end of the season, maybe his wound turns out to be fatal and Penny tries to save him, but she knows that the only thing that can save him is the island. So what if, as a result of them going back to the island, since Desmond is special, they go back to the island in the past, and they are the cave skeletons from season 1? Also, if Desmond and Penny do go to the island, perhaps Jacob was referring to Charles Widmore and Eloise Hawking returning to the island, since Penny may not know how to get there herself? What do you think?

HOW DOES THE SHOW CONTINUE?! They exploded!! How does it keep going?? It doesn’t make any sense!

‘Natalia says:
November 19, 2009 at 6:40 pm’

HOW DOES THE SHOW CONTINUE?! They exploded!! How does it keep going?? It doesn’t make any sense!”

You have been watching Lost right? You might be aware that events that occur dont follow any sort of normal pattern!

Woo so excited! is it late jan early feb?

Some factors you might want to consider before cooking up theories:
a) The existence of a GRAND plan – Richard Alpert started visiting Locke when he was still a kid. He gave him a bunch of stuff to choose from and Locke chose hunting gear. That means a PROPHECY was in play. That also makes Locke an Esau typo.
b)The Jacobian visitations – these allude to destiny. It is not a coincidence that all major players have been visited by Jacob.
c) The savior complex – Jack suffers from this. He goes to pains to put the weight of the world on his shoulders, and when he can’t it affects him. People naturally see him as a leader. Makes his choices based on what he understands, does not work on the faith principle until the fifth season.
d) Ethan was born in 1977 before the incident. One can only surmise that the incident rendered women semi-infertile.
e) Reconciling the supernatural and the scientific clearly puts science at an advantage. The only supernatural occurances can be expalained scientificaly and not vice-versa. i.e smoke monster=nanobots. Jacob and the MIB=alien manipulators of time and space. MIB can’t kill Jacob because Jacob can manipulate time to change events.
f) Richard Alpert is a Blackrock crew man originally, but events suggest his body to be inhabited by alien life force and acts as their human liason. The idea of body inhabiting is further cemented by Lipidus being referred to as a possible candidate.
g) Special individuals can be attributed to those people the aliens can interact with without ill-effects. Locke can exist in the same time at the same age. Walt can be inhabited while still alive. Desmond’s conciousness can shift between two times.And Faraday found a loophole to change events.

Season Six.
Jack and the rest of the Losties will be back in 2007, with their memories intact. The Aliens can’t risk having them leave the island and expose its powers. Locke will be at pains to explain that he is himself. Jack and Locke will be the main antagonist and protagonist of Season 6. Jacob, having had mastered Jack’s DNA by fusing himself with Christian becomes one with Jack and thus Jack has control over the nanobot cloud, and uses it to save the Losties from Locke(MIB). Jack knows fake Locke because…he has the wrong pair of shoes. The real locke shows up wearing Christian’s shoes and Jack let’s him live. The Finale ends with Jack being the new Jacob and declaring that everyone is free to do as they pleased. The real Locke disgrees and says the people will destroy the Island. As they look at each other we realise the cycle of Good and evil has begun again.

My theory (based on multiple interviews and statements) is the following:

Jack Bender said that there is going to be something other than flashbacks or flashforewards (“whatever this might be for Season 6″ he said). Mathew Fox said that Season 6 is going to be very confusing for the audience. Now the problem is that if the LOSTIES would really be sent back to LA and their plabe never crashes, then all the events that lead to Flocke to have Jacob killed would also vanish and Jacobs last words “They are coming” would not make any sense since he’s most probably referring to the LOSTIES. However, as Jack Bender said, there is going to be something other than Flashbacks and Flashforeward. This means we will actually see the LOSTIES in an alternative reality. However, the reality with Jacob being killed does not vanish. So why are we seeing the LOSTIES in that different reality? I think this is because Jacob wants to show the LOSTIES that there destiniy is really on the island. What happens to the Losties after landing in LA is not a good thing. Charlie dies as a result of his drug addiction and in fact everyone who died so far in LOST is going to die anyway (crosscorrection of the universe!). After a certain time they will realise that there destiny is on the island. IN fact what will happen is similar to that Star Trek Next Generation episode where Captain Jean-Luc Picard was given the chance to re-live his youth and prevent his being stabbed from Klingons. However, preventing the action he never got Captain of the Enterprise and was became anxious character. At the end of the show he lets himself stabbed again in his past and looks at teh knife going through his chest, smiling. He then wakes up in a hospital-like surrounding and looks very happily at the scar of his heart-transplant. This is what the LOSTIES will also have to experience. Jack was wrong about saying their plane should not have crashed. He will realise that everything that happened, would have happened anyway. After that chain of events the LOSTIES will ultimately be sent back to the island (the thoe Ben killed Jacob-reality), that’s why Jacob said: They are coming. By touching every one of them Jacob had the power to send them to specific places. So when Juliet set off the bomb and the time-travel-christal exploded Jacob could send the losties to that strange alternate-reality and have them come back again. What do you think about that guys?

I think that richard alpert will turn out to be the main man in this entire series (not just as he is my favorite lol) But I just believe there is some ability about him not just the calmness of a bad situation.

Basically the smoke monster is indeed that man in black on the beach from the incident and he has been able to control the bodies of every dead inhabitant on the island.. Christian, Alex, Locke. Take the way he pursuaded Ben (as alex) to follow Lockes every command… As the smoke monster controls every dead person he was just using alex’s body to manipulate a broken ben into killing jacob by letting John tell him to do it… Ben couldnt say no could he! very clever

The phrase “they are coming” I believe is that the guys from 77 are getting blown back into present day, or it could merely mean that the people on the beach are coming??

Dont be surprised to see the smoke monster leave Lockes body and fly away, after doing his duty of killing Jacob

LOADS of theories!! We should write our own show..
So aaron is jacob, could work. You all sound like experts so answer me this.. what happened to Claire? last time i remember seeing her was in jacobs cabin. it could have been aaron which would make sense as claire didn’t wanna leave… is that right? i cant remember… then again that sounds stupid. maybe they landed there so jacob/aaron could be born or something.
it could all be about the kids. walt is a child of someone in the show, aaron is a child of someone in the show, ben is a child of someone in the show, jack and claire are children of someone in the show and lockes dad has appeared, all of these seem to be important characters as well as their parents, again the cycle comes in.
so perhaps after all is done and lost is over there will be a spin off with the new breed.
them two people who got bitten by spiders and went unconscious and then got buried alive in the first season are gods and they will exact their revenge on everyone from the afterlife, THATS whats gonna happen! you heard it here first!

Does anyone know for sure if Nikki and Paulo are indeed returning to the show? I heard a rumor that Paulo is returning but not Nikki.

the smoke took form of bens duaghter….. bens daughter tells ben obey john locke…..the smoke then goes on to take the form of john locke?? …

I’m very sure, that Jack changed the past… but… there are concecuences. They made it to LA, but, something is different… and desmond will probably be there too.
And i think.. they will remember everything, because if they don’t… it will be very stupid.
Consecuently, the black smoke/nemesis of jacob, didn’t kill him, or ben, so we are back to the begining… i realy do no t know what will happen to John Locke, but he probably wont be him anymore!
By the way.. i think the statue has something to do with the fertility problem, as i think the statue is from a egipcian god of fertility, and as it is destroied in some point, there are no more babys in the island!
Of course it is all theory, but I think this is what we are going to see.

i was reading previews comments and i finaly got it……. as i think jacob (someone who left a comment) they are goning to EXPERIMENT, no live, what would have happened if their plane hadn’t crashed. But as all we know of lost… in the fist season we see them having problems in the island, while we watched their flashbacks with problems of their lifes after the crash. I think we are going to see what happens if they hadn’t crashed, but only as an experiment, and then jacob will tell them that their destiny is to crash on the island and they will start from the present day…
By the way… richard is the son of the black smoke!!

Finally watched the end of season 5, WOW. Still totally confused. I have a few questions people may be able to help me with. How are the numbers being inputed by desomd controlling the electro magnetic fields? When Ben took over and killed the original Dharma how come they are still getting food and medical supplies from the outside world, I am sure Dharma would not support someone who had wiped out an entire village. Cant wait for season 6

After vividly watching LOST several times and analysing various theories of my own and others I have come up with another.

When Jakob was seen in several of the characters pasts he noticably made a physical contact with each protagonist you see, which I think made them make a penultimate decision in their lifes. For example, giving Sawyer(James)a pen to finish his letter.
I think Jakob in a way was the reason why they ended up where they are now, and I think the people that Jakob interacted with may be “candidates” which various characters say in LOST. When I say “candidates” I mean possible people that may take Jakobs place or inherit Jakob himself. Also another idea that may back up this idea is when some characters in LOST say “there’s a war coming, make sure you’re on the right side…” (or similar like quotations)may litteraly mean that there is a war coming(future tense) and Jackob knows his dimise is coming and is in need of a new replacement. Also the fact that they say “a war is coming…” says to me that there is no more time traveling nonsense like seasons 4/5.
Just answers.
Any further ideas or deveolpments will be on my theory will be apreciated.

(I would also like to note that a rumour I heard was that season 6 would consist of no flashbacks or flashforwards and if anyone can confirm or relate to this)

I keep wondering about Desmond and his weird role in all of this. Why is he exempt from the “past is the past” mantra? What does it mean for him to be Daniel’s constant and does everyone have one? Hawking told Desmond that the island wasn’t through with him yet. I am guessing he’ll be a major player in season 6.

I think we are witnessing the Trimurti. Jacob is the Creator, The Smoke Monster is the Preserver(or Maintainer), and The Man in Black is the Destroyer.

O.k Everyone, I have read many of the posts here and it seems to me that people are forgetting the nature of time and multiple time lines.

Fistly…(As a start)

Jacob can only be killed if the characters that were on the flight actually crash.

This means that if Juliet actually detonated the bomb none of the crash survivors would have ever been to the island, therefore Jacobs nemesis could not have taken over John Lockes persona.

Secondly

Timelines must be viewed as very personal basis and not the same for everyone. It is possible for me to travel back in time (figurativly) stay for 2 years, grow 2 years older then move back to my original point in time.

This would mean that to everyone else that saw me I would not have aged but in my personal time line I would have lived an extra 2 years of life.

This principle is very important when understanding the nature of what is and isn’t possible in lost.

Anything that has happened could happend and nothing could be changed (This was Daniel Faradays point on mamy occasions) I think what Daniel came to realise is that this would only be true for “mega events”

By “mega events” I mean things that would change the coarse of the universe as we know it.

By my “theory” you could change something small, for example, visiting an old friend in the past and getting her phone number, then telling her that in 4 years time you would be calling, then travelling back to the future and calling her.

This might not have happened in the first time space continuum you lived through but through time travel it could happen in the second and following continuum.

This is how Desmond was able to get Penny’s number and call her in the future, it is also how he was able to be guided by Daniels mum without messing the whole world up.

What could not be done would be to go back and stop the meteor that crashed into the earth, destroying the dinosaurs and giving rise to man.

This change would be too big and would cause such reprucsions in the Space Time Continuum that it would not survive so somthing would always stop you. E.G the batteries on your asteroid stopper run out even though you checked them before leaving your time machine!

Then on the smaller scale of personal time lines, this is a very important point and I hope I express it correctly.

Personal time lines are changeable in small ways, I think that Daniels mum knows this and so allows him to be killed by her, she knows this will set in action a serious of events that would allow Daniel to be saved. (which in fact is seemingly what happened when Dan’s mum encourages him to go to the island (as does his dad actually!) even when, due to her own personal time line she had killed him in the past!)

So you see, using multilple and concurrent time lines, anything is not only possible but likely.

When Jacob dies (Jack, Kate and Sawyers future) he knows that in the past a bomb is now going off, this will lead to the Ocianic plane not crashing, therefore he will not be killed by John Locke as Locke would never reach the island and Evil Dude would not be able to be Locke 2.0

So that leads on to the theory of eveything that is lost…Quantum Theory (they even point this out in a few episodes later on (season 4 and 5), especially Daniel who is amazed at island property’s no one else seems to notice (quality of light is mentioned and rocket test prooves the island exists in a different time from the rest of the world!)

Now Quantum Theory allows for multiple dimensions and allows for 2 atoms to exist simultaionusly and in different locations.

Therefore, here is the clincher.

The flight crashes which triggers events in which we have all been watching over the past 5 years, including the bomb that is placed at the bottom of the shaft at the end of season 5.

The bomb goes off which stops the events from unfolding in the way we have seen over the last 5 years and allows Jacob to live.

Jacob, at this point being both alive and dead is able to manipulate situations so that the end results that must happen (as we assume this story is a mega event and can’t be changed) do happen.

This doesn’t explain the black smoke and many of the mysteries surround lost.

I don’t imagine every question will be answered for 3 reasons.

1. There were plots that were abandoned as they were not going anywhere and the writers could see this.
2. Some plots were changed mid season due to reality (the spanish police woman Ana Lucia (who was arrested for some sort of DUI)
3. This is life, some ideas were good but not good enough and there is only a finite time to tell this story that has obviously been going on for over 100 years (hence the black rock!)

Here is what I believe willbe answered, I imagine the rest of it will be left.

1. The nature of the island.
2. The nature of Jacob and his nemisis
3. The nature of the smoke monster

I would imagine the rest will be left open for either a film or some books.

Now to clear up some of the strange things that have been posted on here….

Season 6 will be linier, there will be no flash backs or flash forwards, this has been said many times on many different web sites.

Jacob and the nemisis could not kill each other, who knows why. The nemisis had to have someone do it for him, so he made sure that Ben would do it by manipulating him as he had done for many years.

Ben killed his own father, we saw him do it. He took him out on his (Ben’s) birthday and they were supposed to share a beer – in fact Ben killed him using gas. There is no way that it is Syed in the orange jump suit.

I just got my season 5 of lost and I looked over the picture that Christian showed Sun and Richard commented “I saw them all die.” Jin is not in this picture. Also when Sayid shot young Ben, Ben was shot in the heart, and in the next episode the bullet moved.

Just read through every single idea here, but no one seems to have wondered like I have about the THREE YEAR THREE MONTH THREE DECADE thing?
Dez was on the island for three years.
Juliet was an Other for three years.
It’s THREE YEARS since 815 crashed.
The Losties were stranded together for 3 months (Arrived Sep 22, but left around Christmas time 2004).
Charles said that he and his people (Others) took care of the island for THREE decades.
It’s a span of three decades between the Dharma-Losties and the 316 survivors.
I just wonder if maybe the number three means something, just like 4 18 15 16 23 42.

I’ve had this theory since I started watching lost, and here it is… All of the survivors of oceanic fight 815 died in the crash, they were dead the whole time. The people that they thought had died really just went strait to heaven or hell. The survivors on the other hand had to be tested to decide witch place they’d go to. They all had their own problems to over come or not over come, then the black smoke (one of the judges) would decide where they would go. Charlie for example, his problem was the drugs, was it just a coincidence that they found a plane full of a lifetime supply of what he had been addicted too? When he overcame it, that provided where he was supposed to go (heaven) witch is why he died so soon afterwards. Doesn’t it make sense if you think about these possibilities? That the island is testing them? That has been my theory all along, but when they got of the island, that kind of messed up my theory, until I figured it all out, now it makes perfect sense. But I really don’t want to spoil it if I am right, and I always am, so I’m not going to say anything about my NEW much better theory. But tell me some of yours!

when richard was asked what lyes in the shadow of the statue, he answered “He who will save us all”, in Latin. The statue is of anubis, who is the egyptian god of the afterlife. If you follow this link: http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/c/c3/Lost-season-5-poster.jpg and zoom into daniels leg, his left foot is missing =) also, if you watch the season 6 previews on youtube (from comic con) Hurley says that he recently arrived home from a trip to australia….? does that mean that he arrived safely? idk. and the preview of the eye in the season 6 trailer is jacks =) he has a faint freckle under his eye – you can say the comparasons on google =)

Ive been thinking for awhile on my theories as to how lost will end. I dont think it will have a “simple as that” ending though, that would piss off all the lost fans and after everything that has happened in lost, it needs a good ending that explains everything and makes you go “oh that seems right”!
I heard on the internet that the ending has something to do with a scientific project by creating the perfect human? I dont really know how anything on lost goes with the theory, but it was a theory i havent seen before-unlike the reoccurring theory that one day Locke wakes up on a beach surrounded by people and leans over to his friend and says “I just had the weirdest dream”! I will be rather unhappy with the show if it ended like that.
My only theories are that all the survivors are in purgatory or limbo waiting to be judged by Jacob aka God and Man 2 aka The Devil. But hey, I could be wrong.. and the real ending could be some totally whack, weird made up thing at the last minute just to finally end all this lost madness. In my opinion, lost has been dragged on so far and so much random and inexplainable stuff has happened that its impossible for a good solitary ending.

Actually, i own the Lost game on X-box and there is alot of stuff in there about creating life – not in humans but in animals such as sharks. This might explain why the shark at the start of the show had the DHARMA logo on it. They also mention mind control and these experiments are run by Alvar Hanso whom is mentioned in the show when Widmore buys the journal from the black rock in season 4.=)If you watch the special features on Season 5 it mentions Alvar Hanso alot, and how he was affiliated with the Degroot Family (The people that founded the DHARMA initiative).
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Alvar_Hanso
this link takes you to the lostpedia page for Alvar Hanso.

Hi everybody.
About lost season 6 and the ending of this show,and of course the begining, because the storyline is a circle, thats why the producers say “This season is gonna be DIFFERENT”:After Season 6 follows/begins Season 1.LOST is a loop so everything can happen over and over again, so maybe we see a polibear in Tunis in season 4, but “its just progress”, they were trained to turn wheels in cages, get food…, so when the Island had to be moved …..(u understood)…!
So… about season 5 finale –
– Season 5 does not end with explosion, but with a TIMETRAVEL-FLASH!
follow me later…

Season 5 finale, scene ben , LOCKE, jacob,…
behind Ben there is a picture of 2 people holding guns in Egyptian times (look closely), soo it doesnt mean anything, “if they can manipulate TIME” , they can do whatever/whenever they want.
Season 3 finale , scene where LOCKE appears and kills neomi, after that in season 4 episode 1 Kate says “its like he just disappeared” : “LOCKES BODY FROM FUTURE” knowing that “they come, fight, they destroy,corrupt”.
We dont know yet if Jacob took his body or the other one , but the fact is that … same thing Jack follows Danielle, she says “Blood trail ends here, it ends, no Im telling you that she fooled us”, BUT, the truth is that it wasnt neomis blood , it was JOHN LOCKES, there was another FLASH, and he went.
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Richard Alpert being the Egyptian God Ra is a good theory considering the walls of the temple appear to be covered in heiroglyphics. In mythology Ra combines with Horus (Horace the leader of the Dharma group??). Interesting parallels, plus if the eye of Ra could explain the guyliner on Richard Alpert.

I just started watching LOST in September and I’m finishing season 5 tonight, can’t wait for season 6!

The ‘guyliner’ is actually played down. Nester Carbonell has concealer applied to his very dark eyelashes to make them appear LIGHTER. Check out special features on season 5 DVD.

Ok, back in the second season when Locke was crushed with the bomb doors, that map displayed on the wall, the other dharma stations all connected to the center with a huge “?” in the middle. What was that?!

not sure if anyone else has given this theory but here’s mine….Aaron is Jacob…who takes the form of Christian on the island which is why Claire is with him…Claire had to come to the Island to give birth to Aaron on the island and the psyshic saw all this when Claire came to see him which is why he lied to her to get her on that flight.
I love this show I am so addicted…I’ve bought all the series and watch them over and over again…everytime I pick up on something different. Like the backgammon game light & dark pieces been played since the begining of time..adam & eve in the cave had a pouch in the pocket with the light & dark pieces and when Kate runs into Locke in the jungle his eyes changed one was white and one was black…..hmmmmm

can i ask if anyone can remember as im at work and cant check, in the ‘brainwashing room’ did it say “god loves you as he loves jacob” or “god loves you as he loved jacob”?

you see im pretty sure it was as he loved jacob, if this is the case does this mean that he has displeased god and been banished to this island or something along them lines, what do people think?

Governmentality is driving the behaviors of others to subject so that they think are free and all they do is a product of his own will and decision. It is the productive power, which he says “you can do this or that, choose” but at the same time defined between what or whom to choose, not repressed, no obligation, does not say NO. To a certain extent is a form of exercising power that takes the form of a game in which pieces are the subjects and as such is subject to regulations imposed by the game and the spatial and temporal boundaries in which it is allowed to play. Something similar is what happens in the television series Lost with their hapless protagonists are pieces of a power game who dispute Jacob and Nemesis, which in turn play with rules that were imposed obviously something or someone still unknown.

In this line of interpretation emphasizes the character of John Locke’s single “piece” that for reasons unknown and I do not want to imagine, somehow has become aware of their status as “piece” but this is not allowed to go further and draw your own conclusions: as part and denied kicking the board. Will he make it in the sixth and final season of Lost? Of course, the main problem is that Locke is dead, that’s undeniable, but it is likely that this situation may change given that Lost the game is fought in a given space (the Island) but temporal conditions indeterminate (the Island and its occupants travel in time). Why say it is plausible within the logic-diegetic-series that Locke can live even when dead? Because Locke is well thought out, from his own birth, a dead man over and over again to life, making it a key and yet different from the rest. Locke also realizes that whatever is happening out there is individual and therefore the board has been trying to convince a thousand times to his companions to act together, but is unsuccessful.

Is that their colleagues are those who actually have magical thinking as ranging from “is destiny” or “no matter what happens I just want to save as.” Anyway there is another to know that you and I think Locke will be instrumental in reaching the end of the story and the series: he knows that Jack is the key to solving the riddle, he repeats again and again: “not supposed to do this, “” supposed to do that, “” you are not supposed to leave the island “, etc.. Will convince him? But how could if Jack is just the most stubbornly negating what happens? Why is it so important Jack precisely the character you DO NOT want to be important? For now we only have this which is too compared to what we knew but too little compared to what there is to know.

@ Will’s theroy-
Ok my theroy with the numbers 4-8-15-16-23-42 is that they all add up to 108. Now Desmond had to push the button every 108 minutes. So that was the thing with the numbers. Just for your info, but who is the man in the crazy house repeating the numbers to Hurley over and over again?

Mostly everyone is wrong about what happens. First off, everyone isn’t going to instantly wake up in a “reset” timeline. It doesn’t work that way. Sure there is the possibility that whatever happened, happened and the bomb caused the incident but at this point it would be way too predictable. Everybody keeps thinking it’s one or the other, “change” or “no change”. What everyone isn’t considering is that it could be BOTH. Maybe whatever happened, did actually happen BUT something as cataclysmic as a hydrogen bomb going off creates a second reality. Not “resetting” the timeline but creating a separate and alternate outcome parallel to the original. Think of time as a river and the bomb splitting the river in two. Jack and co. will now be in the past of an alternate reality they created while Locke and co. are still in the present of the original. I mean let’s not forget about them, it would be very anticlimactic to magincally “reset” time where Locke and co. left off at the statue. Plus in physics changing the past would not work that way, to avoid paradox it would have to be a separate reality, not changing their own past. So basically Jack created a second set of everyone on a parallel timeline. My guess is, like a river, the two timelines will have to solidify into one again at some point.

I found a whole website dedicated to all the eyes from lost. At first i laughed but then i found it fascinating and i found out that in S3E8 in the part where Desmond comes out of Widmores building and throws his tie to the ground, the lady in the poster behing him slighty turns her head and blinks/winks at him. you need to watch this in slow motion to see it and you may need to zoom but it is there . i watched it 10 times to make sure of it.
Also in the casting call for Jacobs nemesis, it said that his name was Samuel, which means “Heard by God”.
I have also discovered that both Locke and Ben’s Mum’s names were Emily. at first i thought that this meant they were related but if Ben’s Mum died in child birth (same as in the bible) then she wouldnt be able to help Locke’s Dad steal his kidney… unless that woman isnt his mum…
And when Claire caught the seagull with the tag and attached a note to it she wrote, “many of us have survived”, but then when the Oceanic 6 left the island they lied about who survived, so maybe someone will find the seagull and be able to prove that it was all a lie.
I wonder if Richard came on the Black Rock.
and i went to the Lost season 6 website and it said that they tried to get Libby to come back for season 6 but she continuosly said no .

In this still from season 5 where Sun is given Jin’s wedding ring she is clearly wearing one of her own:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:5×05-death-516.jpg

So why is it absent in the season 6 poster?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/c/c3/Lost-season-5-poster.jpg

I think they go back to the future and hav’nt changed anything because it was meant to happen, and then the black smoke goes mahwahhsjdagfjglasdfadshyug

I think that they are seeing what could bcome of them unless they change something. The two bodies in the caves (1st series) rose and bernard? the guy with bens dads dharma suit on, sayid? It could be what happens if they don’t do nything now jacobd ‘dead’, i dunno ?? just gunna wait and see though the week inbetween episodes is gunna be anooying

also jacob uses the living people to prtect him and he bad guy uses dead people to protect/help him.

LOST is a LOOP.
I told u that, EVERY day I am continuing to watch LOSTs seasons over and over again .
There could be only ONE ending of LOST, now that the producers have made it like THIS. AFTER SEASON 6 FOLLOWS SEASON 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!
That means the begining of the end, yes, yes, yes, !!!!!!!!!!

CIRCLE

LOOP

believe me , I have watch LOST , cant say how many times CLOSELY, tooooooooo many times, and Im followin every interview, fact, everything that matters LOST.
I came to that conclusion. IT IS A LOOP
LOOP = LOST LOST = LOOP

hey everyone well i just finished season 5 again and when Alana goes into the cabin, just before they burn it down and she takes the piece of cloth with the statue on it…on the floor they close up on a picture, and it is of a dog that looks exactly like vincent (walts dog) jw if u think that has anything to do with it ??

in the casting call for season 5 it said that Jacobs nemesis’s name was Simon i also found a page full of spolilers.. the magazine did the spoilers for season 5 as well and 75% of them were true, which is better than nothing – http://lostspoilers.wikia.com/wiki/General_Lost_Season_6_Spoilers
the second link is for youtube, this is the new promo for season 6 and at the 15?16 second mark there is a very quick flash of claire holding a gun, she looks really mad. this is not from any of the previos seasons – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XCcMwJNT08 thats all for now

sorry i made a mistake his name was samuel i the casting call, not Simon

I know what happens and i have answers the illness that struck the island was due to the leak of the bomb “jug head” radiation poisoning. The program has two endings with a strange twist. It leaves you with the choice but right at the last second it makes you think something completely different. I know one of the writers that’s all i can say i am afraid, one thing is for sure reading the episodes is very exciting and seems to leave you less confused.

the statue is of an Egyptian goddess of fertility named meskhenet

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/meskhenet.htm

if you do an image search she was one of the few gods known to carry two anchs.

I reckon Aaron has a big part to play in season 6

If one more of you implys this is biblical in any way im gonna cry. the producers/writers themselves said they would never even think to make it biblical. What this season boiles down to is John Locke, Daniel Faraday, Richard Alpert, Jacob and his mystery nemesis. The very emphasized phrase “what ever happened, happened” will pretty much sum it up. Clearly Jacob and John Doe have been at it for many… many years. I believe this has already happened, as John Doe states in the first scene of season 5 fanale. He said the outcome is the same every time, they corrupt, kill, etc… i think jacob has found a way to do things again, and again, kind of like a cosmic reset button, in order to manipulate the little deatails, like the people he choses to bring to the island. I do agree with the general consensus that our mystery nemesis is/controls the “black smoke monster”, and i also agree that the ship in the first scene is the black rock. bottom line, season 6 starts tomorrow… and im literally giddy.

OMG AND I FORGOT ABOUT WALT! at this point we are all asking WTF is so special about walt, and how does he fit. This is the final season so rest assured your questions will be answered, but i think Walt is jacobs replacment, similar the our mystery nemesis imitating/inhabiting john locke. Jacob is supposed to be the good, the innocent… what is more “good and innocent” than the only post infant child that survived the plane crash? i also agree that Aaron will play a huge roll in this season.

Jacob’s dying words, “they’re coming.” Who? Don’t just assume its the 1977 bunch. What about all of the children born during this series??? (Aaron, Sun and Jin’s daughter, Sawyer’s daughter Clementine, Juliet’s nephew Julian, Desmond and Penny’s son Charlie) Why did they bother to tell us about all of these children? Time travel is possible. Will we see a now adult Walt return to the island leading the next generation in a crusade to save their parents??

LA X 1 and LA X 2 the first two episodes.what does this mean? lax is the airport where flight 815 was to land…in 2004.these two episodes shoes some scenes from the flight BUT not the same as we first saw in season 1.LA (X) -> does this X MEAN NUMBER 10 AS WE KNOW FROM LATIN NUMBERS? and flight 815 goin to land in lax in 2010 ???.in the island there are 2 “gods”.no one can kill each other.we dont know who is the good one.JAYCOB said: “they are coming…” i think he meant sawyer jack kate… and everyone who suposed to be in 2007 they re coming back in 2007 from 1977…tonight we will see that the bomb send the not in lax but in 2007 with the others.

4 8 15 16 23 42 = 108

namaste

!! lost forever best series ever !!

If that biblical comment was directed at me, i don’t think it will be biblical either just pointing out what the statue is cause nobody seems to have mentioned that on here.

Anyway what does everyone want to find out most?

What simon AKA John Doe has planned for richard

I think the lost writers are waiting for one of us to come up with an idea for them or a selection of the best few

My theory is this: Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc. are on the island becuase they have been chosen to be the new “Others”, they have to stay there to protect the island, like Ben have been there before, and before him, Charles Widmore.
That’s why Jacob chose them; he went after them in moments where they needed some kind of guidance in their lives (it’s very clear with Jack, Sawyer or Kate, for example).
That’s why Widmore doesn’t want for them to go to the island, because they ‘stole’ his place.

I know this is a random post and it relates to the final ep of season 5 (the incident). Is it just me or does young saywer (at his parents funeral) look very similar to the boy that young kate was with when she stole the lunchbox and first met Jacob, different hair but very similar. Could they they be the same, they may have been childhood friends and not realised it!! look up the clips id love to hear peoples opinion on this. Thanks

Okay, so I have been to a couple different discussion sites about Season 6 and no one has even mentioned the fact of the island being under water in LA X. What does this mean?? Who was on the island when it sank?? Also Why was Desmond on 815??? And Charlie told Jack after he saved him on the plane that He (Jack) shouldn’t have done that. “I was supposed to die.” Wierd!! Also I think that the show does have some biblical meanings. Locke (Esau) tells Ben in the Foot that he wants the one thing that Locke didn’t. To go home. That is like Satan being kicked out of heaven and wants to override God (Jacob) and take over. I think the island IS heaven in a sense! think about it! I will be back for more! Comment if any of this makes sense! Also, for the person that said they may be a statue phobe! I am right there with ya! LOST statue has SERIOUSLY made me afraid of ALL LARGE STATUES! UGH! I can’t talk about it anymore! Please Comment!!

@james

The guy with young kate is the man that she killed,if you’ve watched series one in depth you’ll realise that the toy plain he has with him is the same as “The man kate loved”

Hope that answers you

Anyway, in LAX part 2 when esou says “those chains” to richard im certain hes refering to richard being a slave on the black rock, anyone got any theories on this?

Oh yeah… thanks Jordan, its been so long since season one, think i need to refresh my memory.

One question, how did the black rock get from the shore to where it currently is on the island? Also if it were the black rock and the others came from there wouldnt they have removed the dynamite long ago? Just a thought…

I think jacob had things planned well in advance and new the dynamite would need to stay where it was and as for the ship i think esou is the reason that it ended up in the middle of the jungle.

I really hope richard survives hes an excellent charecter.
Might get a lot of bad responses to this but i have my fingers crossed for kate dying. i mean island kate not LAX kate

Read a few comments about the statue and its definitely not Meskhenet, I think its either Tawaret ( which carried 2 ankh ) but Sobek looks more like the statue in lost, however he only carried 1 ankh.

i wonder if they will go as far as to show when the statue was built and by who?? Obviously there is the egyption connection, maybe at one stage in time the island was somewhere near north africa.

The material Jacob was making at the beginning of The incident with the glyphs and what seemed to be people worshipping a god must have some significance.

Anyone able to translate??

In regard to the line ‘their coming’ i dont think he was refering to kate, jack etc. Whoever it was Locke/Mr Black looked like he knew what he meant and was surprised, there may have even been fear or worry in his eyes.

My thoery is that whoever Jacob was talking about was before F815′s time. Dont have a clue who though.

ok so far, here’s my theory for “LA X”. It’s seperated into two timelines created by the detonation of the hydrogen bomb from “The Incident”. The first timeline is in 2004 where they’re on the plane and it doesn’t crash. Jack speaks to Rose and during the turbulance (which is caused by the underwater island’s weak electro-magnetic pull) Jack is very uneasy and grips the seat arm like he knows what’s going to happen, but it doesn’t and he hesitates for a moment when Rose tells him that he can let go of the seat arm and Benard returns from the bathroom. Jack, a little confused that the plane didn’t go down, goes to the bathroom and stares at himself in the mirror. When Jack returns to his seat, he meets Desmond (who wasn’t on the plane). Sawyer overhears Hugo saying he’s a millionare and tells him that he shouldn’t be saying that out loud because he would never know if someone could trick him for his money, and Hugo says he’s the luckiest man alive (this proves that this is an alternate universe at the same time as being in a different timeline). Kate is still in handcuffs and being transported by the Marshall, but when she goes to the bathroom, she bumps into Jack, afterwords Jack returns to his seat to notice Desmond has vanished (I believe this has something to do with him traveling to the other universe to live his life there in which he eventually shows up at the island on his boat), suddenly Cindy the stewardess asks if there is a doctor on board, which Jack replies that he is one, rescues Charlie, who swallowed his bag of herion (how that’s even possible i’ll never know), Charlie then replies “I’m supposed to die” (which further implies the Alternate reality, because Charlie on the island didn’t know he was supposed to die, but learned it from Desmond, who kept risking his own life to keep protecting Charlie). We also see Boone who is by himself because Shannon didn’t want out of her relationship, as well as Sayid who helps Jack with Charlie. Ok, the plane lands, Christian’s coffin is missing as well as Locke’s knives.(they have been transported to the other reality, thus explaining how the coffin came to be on the island as well as Locke’s knives) John tells Jack that his condition is permanent, and Jack says nothing is permanent and he offers Locke a free medical evaluation. Meanwhile Kate escapes from the Marshall and meets Sawyer in an elevator, in which two security guards get on as well, Sawyer notices her in handcuffs and helps her escape, she then hijacks a taxi in which Claire is a passenger. So basically all of the characters are still involved in each others’ lives. But what I think is going to happen is a third of the way into the show, the two realities will become one and there will be two of everyone on the island, then there will be a war between Locke (2007)(Estau as you guys call him) and Jack (2007)(who might get Jacob to possess him) and thus the two will come “head to head”. As for everyone else they may watch or they might be killed, nothing is known yet, we’ll have to see.

When Jack looked in the mirror i think he noticed he looked older or more aged, and what was with the bleeding on the neck??

Also why wasnt shannon onboard 815 this time round, something else must of changed not just the fact that they may have reset things. Otherwise everything should have been the same as the first time round.

Well i got the impression that Jack when looking in the mirror noticed he looked older or more aged. What was with the bleeding??

As to shannon, if the timeline was reset nothing on 815 should have changed except for the fact that they didnt crash, so why wasnt she there??

One last thing, Juliet first said to Sawyer ‘ it didnt work’ but then as Miles said she said it did work, what changed in that minute or so just before she died.

Did you notice that desmond was wearing a wedding ring?

I’m getting the feeling that the island – or at least some place on it, probably in the temple or something – is the Nexus of all realities or something similar. Sort of like the centre of the universe.

Maybe if Smokie gets to go home, he can take over or destroy ALL the different variations of reality?

Just a thought.

Also, if everything that has happened on the island over the last five seasons is so important (everything happens for a reason), then the fact that the island has been sunk (for years?) in the flash-sideways reality leads me to believe that the important stuff never happened in that changed reality (e.g. Pushing The Button).

Since the research done by Dharma, etc was to find a way to alter the Valencetti (sp?) Equation and thus avoid the end of the world, I believe that the flash-sideways version of reality is doomed.

OR, in classic Lost fashion, that might be the only reality that survives BECAUSE the island isn’t there… IDK, I’m baffling myself now!

Um… if, as the spoilers say, each of The Numbers is represented by a character (Locke = 4, Hurley = 8, etc), and the aim of the Dharma research was to find a way to alter/ change the numbers, then shouldn’t our Losties ‘changing’ somehow successfully avert the EOTW?

My Theory : Juliet hits the bomb and makes it explode just at the same time “the incident” takes everyone back to the “present” , therefore 2 realities have been created. The H bomb explodes, meaning nothing Island related ever happened to teh characters (non crash reality) , but the incident makes the characters timetravek into their own just-before-the exolotion reality (2007)

I THINK I’VE GOT IT!!!

Some people have said that the whole thing is a loop, it will start over again… well, partly right.

Rather than this all ending as the End Of The World, I think it will be the End Of Everything Old… and the Beginning Of Everything New as well.

Or in other words… The next BIG BANG!!!

Everything changes. Yin to Yang, Yang to Yin again (as in Light to Dark… Jacob’s reign to MIB’s reign…). It only ends once… everything else is just progress.

I saw a very cryptic clue on one site which hinted at what the last season was all about, and it was a champagne bottle as the cork was being popped. THE BIG BANG!!!

So basically what we are/ have been watching for the last five seasons are THE EVENTS THAT LEAD UP TO THE NEXT BIG BANG! Quite clever really, coz THE unanswerable question – apart from “what happenes after death?” – is “What was before the Big Bang?” I’m SO sure that I’m on the right track that I’m gonna prematurely praise the creators of this show for the sheer genius of it all!

Heres another idea to play about with,
I thought it sounded stupid when i thought of it.

I don’t think jack was ever on flight 815 and the alternate reality was in fact “the incident”

The producers always said that there was a giant clue in the first scene we see jack in. Maybe him waking up in the jungle after blacking out was the clue!

Just another idea though, would definitely not be happy with this ending.

I think certain people from the 2004 timeline will return to the 2007 timeline. I think Locke will be one of them. I think Jack will repair Lockes spine. I think Locke will be the only one who can defeat the man in black.

Joe (a few posts up) has a great theory. Only problem I have with it is are these timelines split because if not then the present they time traveled back to would be an island under water.

So when the bomb went off did it effectively split the timeline?

Just a complaint here. Why is it that when one there is so much as one new still from an episode, it’s everywhere online within thirty seconds, but when the dvr fails to record, you can’t find an episode anywhere on the whole internet until abc posts it the next day. I have to work and now I can’t watch until tomorrow night when everyone has already blabbed and spoiled the whole thing. I thought lost fans would be a little more on the ball with this kind of stuff.

I always thought when jack woke up after the crash and ran to the beach he already knew who he was looking for, he knew or recognised the people he have come to know as the main characters. Like he had already lived it or something along those, especially when he sees claire in distress! As we know they are related but it almost seemed like he was looking for her when he was running around the beach. Just a thought.

I do realise as well that the writers might have just been introducing the main characters but its a possiblity.

There was also something i found strange when jack was on the plane trying to save charlie, he mentioned his pen and that he had one in his jacket but could not find it, if they had of crashed about the very same time he was looking for a pen on the beach( when he asked boone to find him one) coincence???

Compare jacks hair and facial hair from season one when they crashed to LAX when the plane didnt crash, totally different, well facial hair a little bit different, in season one he has a 1-2 day growth but in LAX he totally clean In season one ep1 his hair almost shaved, in LAX its definatly longer.

I dont think thats just a mistake by the writers or wardrobe, there has to be more to it.

Anyone have any thoughts on this??

one more thing, the bottle of vodka in his pocket when they crashed, in season 1 its unopened but in LAX he opens it before the turbulence starts.

sorry all i just checked again, it was because the flight attendant gave him 2 bottles in sea1 and only 1 in LAX, still its interesting because there are alot of subtle differences

There are so many differences between LAX and jacks flashback of the crash in season 1, different passangers sitting around Jack and Rose, and also in season 1 after the turbulence its Jack that sez to rose ‘it normal’ but in LAX she sez it to him. Very interesting!!

If its the same flight and the only difference is that they dont crash then why all the differences??

Shannon not being on board, jacks hair, different passangers, different comments from characters, the flight attendant only giving jack on bottle of vodka in LAX but 2 the first time round when they crashed. I’m sure there’s more.

oh and as to desmond on the plane, we all remember the line ‘ see you in another life brother’

kate stole jacks pen when she bumped into him on the plane in LAX part 1

thats how she breaks free of the handcuffs.

Did anyone notice when Claire was having the ultrasound scan this season in ep 3… the picture on the screen at first looked like a formless cloud of smoke before it took on a more humanoid form?!?

Watch the scene again CLOSELY, slow it down or pause if you need to… it happens VERY briefly, but you can see that there is just a shapeless mass for a split second, then it takes form.

Maybe the MIB is Aaron?

Maybe that’s why the psychic in S1 was SO terrified at what he saw – and SO adamant that Claire HAS to be the one that raises her baby?

And maybe that’s why the actor that played the MIB – Titus Welliver – has said that he “knows that [the character] has a name, and the significance of that name”… but TPTB have not revealed it to him?

ahhh yes i see now thanks Jordan.

In 4×11 Cabin Fever- when richard vistits john as a child to show him the compass, how could he have drawn a picture of the smoke monster??

Just putting it out there, anyone have any theories??

in the same scene, anyone notice the title of the comic richard puts down next to the complass : ‘Hidden Land’

=-))

The Comic prob old news, could anyone make out the title of the big red book he put down in front of young locke in the same scene as the comic.

Also i have a theory about the island, its not an island, its a time machine, its simple as that. I refer to island itself though. All the other stuff going on and the people on the island well thats abit more tricky :-p

As locke said ‘ its not an island, its a place where miracles happen’

Everybody is thinking that Jacob, Mr Black, Richard are all old and dont age, what if to them all this is happening within the space of months or 1-2 years, to us it seems like they are old but what if the island has just travelled around in time, might explain all the eygptian stuff, some of the others might have been from the black rock and to them its only been a couple of years but to us its been a few hundred years. Because the island is a time machine.

Oh all these theories does my head in, cant wait to the season finale already, just want answers!!!!

I think the fact the island itself is a time machine is why it is so hard to locate the island. When the oceanic 6 were on the helicopter that is why it just disapeared in front of their eyes, it travelled to a different time, well thats obvious but i think its an ancient machine, or possibly future machine, either way.

In Regard to the tappestry Jacob was creating in the foot of the statue well folks google ‘Thelema’ and also ‘Stele of Ankh-ef-en-Khonsu’

if your interested check out this link – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stele_of_revealing.jpg

Do the wings at the top of pic seem familar – re: the tappestry Jacob was making at the beggining of the incident!

What if the glyphs in the temple of Osiris have a link to the island, well in the mind of the writers anyways, have you all seem the glyphs that show a helicopter and planes etc.

Aiwass:

Aiwass is the name of the being who Aleister Crowley claimed dictated The Book of the Law, the central sacred text of Thelema, to him on April 8, 9, and 10th in 1904

The dictation
The first appearance of Aiwass was during the Three Days of the writing of Liber Legis. His first and only identification as such is in Chapter I: “Behold! it is revealed by Aiwass the minister of Hoor-paar-kraat” (AL I:7). Hoor-paar-kraat (Egyptian: Har-par-khered) is more commonly referred to by the Greek transliteration Harpocrates, meaning “Horus the Child”, whom Crowley considered to be the central deity within the Thelemic cosmology (see: Aeon of Horus). However, Harpocrates also represents the Higher Self, the Holy Guardian Angel.[1]

Crowley described the encounter in detail in The Equinox of the Gods, saying that as he sat at his desk in Cairo, the voice of Aiwass came from over his left shoulder in the furthest corner of the room. This voice is described as passionate and hurried, and was “of deep timbre, musical and expressive, its tones solemn, voluptuous, tender, fierce or aught else as suited the moods of the message. Not bass—perhaps a rich tenor or baritone.”[2] Further, the voice was described as being devoid of “native [i.e. Egyptian, as the encounter occurred in Cairo] or foreign accent”. Crowley also described a “strong impression” of the speaker’s general appearance. He saw or pictured Aiwass with a body composed of “fine matter,” having a gauze-like transparency. Further, the speaker “seemed to be a tall, dark man in his thirties, well-knit, active and strong, with the face of a savage king, and eyes veiled lest their gaze should destroy what they saw. The dress was not Arab; it suggested Assyria or Persia, but very vaguely.”[2]

In the later-written Liber 418, the voice of the 8th Aethyr says “my name is called Aiwass,” and “in The Book of the Law did I write the secrets of truth that are like unto a star and a snake and a sword.” Crowley says this later manifestation took the form of a pyramid of light.

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Crowley went to great pains to argue that Aiwass was an objectively separate being from himself, possessing far more knowledge than he or any other human could possibly have. As Crowley writes in his Confessions: “I was bound to admit that Aiwass had shown a knowledge of the Cabbala immeasurably superior to my own”[3] and “We are forced to conclude that the author of The Book of the Law is an intelligence both alien and superior to myself, yet acquainted with my inmost secrets; and, most important point of all, that this intelligence is discarnate.”[4] Finally, this excerpt (also from Confessions, ch.49):

“The existence of true religion presupposes that of some discarnate intelligence, whether we call him God or anything else. And this is exactly what no religion had ever proved scientifically. And this is what The Book of the Law does prove by internal evidence, altogether independent of any statement of mine. This proof is evidently the most important step in science that could possibly be made: for it opens up an entirely new avenue to knowledge. The immense superiority of this particular intelligence, AIWASS, to any other with which mankind has yet been in conscious communication is shown not merely by the character of the book itself, but by the fact of his comprehending perfectly the nature of the proof necessary to demonstrate the fact of his own existence and the conditions of that existence. And, further, having provided the proof required.”[4]
However, Crowley also spoke of Aiwass in symbolic terms. In The Law is for All,[5] he goes on at length in comparison to various other deities and spiritual concepts, but most especially to The Fool. For example, he writes of Aiwass: “In his absolute innocence and ignorance he is The Fool; he is the Saviour, being the Son who shall trample on the crocodiles and tigers, and avenge his father Osiris. Thus we see him as the Great Fool of Celtic legend, the Pure Fool of Act I of Parsifal, and, generally speaking, the insane person whose words have always been taken for oracles.”

Perhaps more importantly, Crowley later identified Aiwass as his own personal Holy Guardian Angel and more. Again from Equinox of the Gods: “I now incline to believe that Aiwass is not only the God or Demon or Devil once held holy in Sumer, and mine own Guardian Angel, but also a man as I am, insofar as He uses a human body to make His magical link with Mankind, whom He loves, and that He is thus an Ipsissimus, the Head of the A.’.A.’.”[6]

[edit] Gematria
Crowley, being the Qabalist that he was, labored to discover Aiwass’s number within the system of gematria. Initially he believed that it was 78: “I had decided on AIVAS = 78, the number of Mezla, the influence from the highest unity, and therefore suitable enough as the title of a messenger from Him.” [7] After receiving a letter from a stranger, the typographer Samuel A. Jacob, whose Hebrew name was SHMUEL Bar AIWAZ bie YACKOU de SHERABAD, Crowley asked the Hebrew spelling of AIWAZ; to Crowley’s great delight it was OIVZ, which equated to 93, the number of Thelema itself. Crowley remained perplexed, though, since the spelling of the name in AL was “Aiwass” not “AIVAS”, which does not add up to 93. However, when Crowley decided to use the Greek Qabalah, he discovered that …

“…its value is 418! and this is the number of the Magical Formula of the Aeon. It represents the practice of the Book as 93 does the theory. It is now evident with what inconceivable ingenuity AIWAZ has arranged his expression. He is not content to give one spelling of his name, however potent; he gives two which taken together are not merely twice as significant as either alone, but more so, in a degree which is beyond me to calculate.” [7]
According to Israel Regardie[8], a certain “Qabalist of tremendous knowledge” would have discovered a Hebrew spelling that enumerates to 418 were he aware that Tav is pronounced /s/ when without a dagesh:

(tav)400 + (aleph)1 + (waw)6 + (yod)10 + (aleph)1 = 418

courtesy Wikipedia- link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiwass

@ James

Thanks for the link!
Also followed the link on that page for CHAOS… check it out people, it might explain what Smokey/ MIB is…

Chaos (Greek χάος khaos) refers to the formless or void state of primordial matter preceding the creation of the universe or cosmos in creation myths, particularly Greek but also in related religions of the Ancient Near East. The motif of chaoskampf is ubiquitous in these myths, depicting a battle of a culture hero deity with a chaos monster, often in the shape of a serpent or dragon.

(There’s a LOT more.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_%28mythology%29

If Smokey IS Chaos, then we’re about to witness the End Of This Universe… and The Creation of the Next one (I’ve seen a clue somewhere that relates to The Big Bang).

I’m thinking that the sideways reality we are watching alongside the Island reality might be taking place in the Next Universe. Desmond’s “See you in another life, Brotha” line to Jack all that time ago ALWAYS carried meaning beyond what we might have thought.

We’ve been told that the show ends in “an incredibly powerful, sad and beautiful way”. Also, it’s been said that Lost ends in such a way that it’s doubtful there will be any spinoffs, or a movie, etc.

The Big Crunch/ Big Bang scenario pretty much fits both of those IMO.

Also linking on from Chaos… this might explain how Locke 2.0 came into existence… Chaos-Locke’s soul-Locke’s form. Locke 2.0 would be the ultima materia.
Anyway…

Prima Materia is, according to alchemists, the alleged primitive formless base of all matter, given particular manifestation through the influence of forms. The concept is sometimes attributed to Aristotle, but apparently emerged after his lifetime, out of errors of interpretation.[1] The alchemical operation consists essentially in separating the prima materia, the so-called chaos, into the active principle, the soul, and the passive principle, the body. They are then reunited in personified form in the coniunctio, the ritual combination of sol and Luna, which yields the magical child (filius sapientiae or filius philosophorum), the reborn self, known as the ultima materia. The collective unconscious appears in the many symbols of religion, myth, art, and dreams. The Ouroboros dragon biting its own tail depicts the original chaotic condition, which prevails before the radical transmutation. But it contains all the refined ingredients of the ultimate state in their uncooked form—the heat has yet to be applied to the unrefined material, raw uncooked emotion.

Therefore, we see not only the anguish and despair of the beginning, but the seeds of rejuvenation, rebirth and promised illumination of the final stages of the process. Thus, prima materia is the seed of the process, which takes place in the natural mind; it is the seed of enlightenment. The Crown of Creation is an overarching symbol equating with the top sphere Kether in Qabala. It triumphs over the terrible Dragon of the primal, unrefined condition, represented by the dragon or Terrible Mother. In the bottom-center is Atlas holding the earth to symbolize the material sphere of Malkuth. All is one magical movement from Kether through Malkuth. Ego cannot separate itself from the powers and abilities of the subconscious. To submit this material to the process means to apply conscious effort to the task, and find our own experiential spirituality. Prima Materia represents the crossroads or crisis preceding a spiritual awakening (intellectual doubts, metaphysical problems).
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* Arche

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_materia

Im starting to think that Mr Black has been Locke for longer than we think, alot longer.

Does anyone remember the episode, it was flashback to locke working in a department store(he was alot younger in this flashback, he was explaining the game of mousetrap to young boy. He mentioned he used to play it with his brother.

It was just before he met his mother which told him he was very special and destined for great things and then went to meet his father.

He was already playing backgammon as a young child.

One theory abit far out there is the island Jacob and Mr Black are all in a big game, Jacob first brang people to the island to help in the game, they are only able to influence people and not anything to each other directly.

Ever wonder why John always wanted to stop the button being pressed in the swan hatch, whatever it was doing it was keeping the island locked in place and possibly even mr black in.

Then he is pursaded by christian to ‘move the island’ dislodging the it from current time allowing a ‘loophole’ for mr black to manipulate and influence people in earlier times.

I was thinking about the picture young locke drew of the smoke monster, what if the pictures meaning is the smoke monster coming to locke as a boy.

Jacob and mr black can only influence people and that is the game.

Hence Backgammon and moustrap with brother link, all the moves we have seen, everything from people being brought to the island, the incident at the swan hatch when locke caused it to explode, time travel or loophole, lockes death and rebirth and eventually killing Jacob.

He didnt want to leave the island untill Jacob was dead and now that he is he wants to go home(wherever or whenever that is)

though just because Jacob is dead now, that doesnt mean the game is over yet

@ James
Kinda on the same wavelength here, I think this has all happened before MANY times… each time around in this ‘loop’, slight differences and adjustments are made, which ‘progresses’ this game that is being played. And it only ends once (until the next game…)

I think some characters are more receptive than others to this loop – or spiral… Everything That Rises Must Converge – and so they are aware of certain things that happened/ happens during the other repititions… such as Locke drawing the pic of possibly himself facing Smokey. Or maybe coz he went thru the time skips on the island, he had a case of ‘The Humes’ (i.e like Desmond’s mind skipping thru time)? Locke did always seem to have some sort of connection to the Island, it could have been either thru time skips or previous life ‘memories’.

Also, remember the episode when Locke burned his legs or feet with a stick from the fire but couldn’t feel the pain? And before that, there was a knife or branch stuck in his leg that Boone pointed out – he never felt that either. This is the work of Smokey/MIB, who we’ve seen is impervious to bullets. I reckon that coz Locke’s spine and legs were ‘irreversibly’ paralysed i.e. dead, Smokey was able to take control of them and so Locke could walk again. Also, that could explain Locke’s connection with the Island.

i just realised something unrelated, Ethan being at the hospital in the new timeline, he would still be an other whether they crashed or not so claire still needed injections whether she was on the island or not, same guy same injections, not a coincidence.
He was there for a reason

Locke and Ben’s Conversation 3×13

Ben: why are so angry John.

Locke: Because your cheating, you and your people. you communicate with the outside world whenever you want to, you come and go as you please, use electricity, running water and guns. Your a hypocrite a PHAROCY. You dont deserve to be on this island, if you had any idead what this place really was… you wouldnt be putting chicken in your fridge.

Ben: You’ve been here 80 days john, ive been here my whole life, what makes you think you know this island better than me.

Locke: Because your in a wheelchair and im not.

Also i think Jacob might have had something to do with Locke falling out of window, it mioght have been because he knew he was Mr Black or connected with him, hence the line im sorry this HAD to happen to you when he revived John.

10 Final Points counting down to the conclusion of Lost…

10) The island is underwater because whenever Juliet detonated Jughead, it changed the course of the future as predicted by Faraday, but particularly the future of the losties and the island itself. The losties were always chosen to come to the island (Jacob’s touch, whether pre or post 815) and that’s why the island is there in the first place. Therefore, if the bomb prohibits the losties from coming to the island, the island cannot exist (thus underwater).
9) The island underwater means that the island’s influence on the lives on the losties never existed either. An example of this would be Hurly hearing the numbers from the psycward guy, who heard them from the island transmission, meaning Hurly never heard them from the psyc guy cuz the island was not transmitting them, thus never getting the bad luck.
In regards to the numbers, the losties are the numbers, just like all other mathematical terms in the show (constants, variables, substitutes, etc). The numbers have been known as the equation for the end of the world, or in this case, the end of the island (end of the “game” aka “it only ends once”). The losties, particularly the ones associated as a number, were chosen to come to the island to determine once and for all who wins Jacob or MiB (on island), team Ben/Ilana or team Whitmore (off island).
7) I’m not sure who will be given each number, but I presume that Locke was 4 and Jack is 42. As each of the numbers “dies,” the game is one step closer to being over (4-Locke is dead, 8-Sayid?). I believe Jack (42)will make the final decision on who wins, Jacob or the MiB (more on that later). I also think Jack is forementioned as beig 42 in season 2, when he raced into the hatch to tell Locke he was sure that the number he was pressing into the computer was 42, not 43.
6) All people who survive the initial crash onto the island are candidates. This means they are fair game for Jacob and MiB to persuade them via dreams (Jacob) or influence of the unburied dead (the form taken by MiB). This also means that if one of these canidates dies, MiB can take his/her form if they are not buried, which is why the Others (more on them later) has the Truce to have Dharma bury their dead.
5) Richard, a slave from the Black Rock, (“good to see you out of those chains”) was chosen by Jacob to lead the others in his favor. For this gesture, Richard was given everlasting life and freedom.
4) Just as the Losties and the Black Rock inhabitants were “chosen” to come to the island, so were the Others. The Others are the inhabitants that came to the island directly before the losties. They remain on the island to assure that the game is being progressed in a manner, led by Richard, that will allow Jacob to win. Also, just to throw it out there, I hope Adam and Eve are Charlie and Claire. I do not know how Charlie will get back to the island (or if he can since he’s dead), but I see him “curing” Claire of her illness and finally being with her.
3) The whispers are the disease that infected Roussoue’s team, Sayid, and Claire. This disease was injected into the island by the MiB to balance the scales from Jacob’s advantages. The whispers take control of the body and force a destined end, Destiny=MiB, Freewill=Jacob
2) The alternate timeline will serve as a narrative devise much like the flash forwards did in season 4. The flash forwards illustrated that the meaning of the losties lives were to go to the island. The alternate timeline, as shown already, will illustrate that the losties always needed each other to survive. This will be shown through six-degrees of separation (much like season 1 did). The “special” characters of the show (Desmond, Walt, Aaron) are not confined to any one particular timeline, making them extremely useful for relaying information.
1) The ending of the show will be “Sad and Beautiful” as quoted by Matthew Fox, who knows the image of the last scene. My theories have centered around this final moment of the show, the end of the island, and the decision on who wins. I envision that the MiB will once again take the form of Christian, Jack’s dad, in the final scene. Jacob and Christian(MiB) will then try to convince Jack (the final number, 42) that he should choose the “right side.” Jack, in his attempt to finally redeem himself in regards to his broken relationship with his father (his pervious anger, “let it go”), will choose his father. This emotional tear-jerker, will allow the MiB to win over Jacob. As Jack and his father embrace, Jack closes his eye (much like he opened it to start the series) and there will be a noise (like season 5 ending) and the show will be over. LOST

Hope you like it, please share your thoughts!!! PS- I hope the producers are reading this, because this is my favorite ending for the show haha

I find it interesting that everyone assums that Jacob is good and the chap who wants to kill him is bad. Is it because Jacob is wearing a white shirt? Just because the guy in the black shirt wants to kill him doesn’t make him good. Perhaps its the other way around, ater all it is just too obvious and childish for the show writers to put good guy in white shirt and baddie in black shirt. i bet they are both some sort of aliens or deities just playing a game with each other, a contest like backgammon and the humans are their pawns. After all, Jacob didn’t show any sadness that Sayid’s wife was run over by the car. He might even have distracted Sayid to stop him saving her. He could just as easily have asked for directions on the other side of the street after they had crossed.

Does anyone wonder why Jacob didn’t try to defend himself when Ben killed him? If anything he seemed to goad Ben into killing him.
Ben said “What about me? “in a whiney childish way and Jacob who knew Ben had knife and was planning to kill him said “What about you?”
That is not the way to talk down somebody who hasn’t yet decided to cross the line and kill his deity.
i think Jacob wanted to die at that point, almost like the sacrificial lamb, but as part of the Game.
What occurs to me is that the MIB is trapped on the island and wants to go home and maybe for him winning the game would mean that he could go home. I think home is another planet, that he is trapped in his dimension, but perhaps he has been trapped here to neutralise his ‘evil’and if he escapes it is like a Pandora’s box opening.

@james: your feb 12th post about locke is very interesting.. i totally forgot that he drew those pictures!! You might be on to something!

@mb20: I realy like your theory and I hope your right! that would be badass!!

Who ever wrote about john locke’s legs being “dead” when he was on the plane but once on the island they worked.. i think it is the fake locke controling his legs! That would explain the conection to the island!

MY OWN THOUGHTS:
Did anyone else notice on the episode “the subsitute” (last one aired) at the very end flocke takes sawyer to that hole and all of those names are on there..
locke-4 (John)
reyes-8 (Hugo)
ford-15 (Sawyer)
jarrah-16 (Sayid)
shepard-23 (Jack)
kwon-42 (Jin OR Sun)

where is kate? Also, if the numbers really do go in order to deaths then how can matthew fox (jack) be the only cast member who know what the final scene of the series is? His number is 23. Why is Jin or Sun the last number? this is strange.. if anyone knows any good discussion boards for LOST let me know 2! PLZZ COMMENT!!

I have noticed that the lost numbers are similar to the stakes in a game of backgammon. Im not 100% in the rules of the game and how it works but in the rules it explaines the stakes of the game and in reference to the doubling cube. In backgammon the stakes are 2,4,8,16,32,64.

Although they are different numbers maybe they somehow relate to the game on lost.

There is also an optional Jacoby Rule in Backgammon although i couldnt find much to relate it to Lost but funny coincence.

@sinead – Ive also thought about the possibility that it is so obvious that Jacob is good and Black is bad that we might have it wrong but its hard to say yet. He isnt smokey, we know that, and to be honest smokey does seem bad to me….

Another strange thig is that Mr Black cant be all that bad as he didnt like the thought of people coming to the island and ‘ destroying, corrupting etc’ so maybe there is some good in him but he would need a good reason to justify everything we have seen so far

One more thing we have all forgotten about poor Vincent, Walts Golden Lab, what if Jacob has been taking his form since the first scene when jack wakes up, that might have been the clue in the opening scene. Vincent seems to come and go at strange times. I know he doesnt do much but you never know. I think about that first scene and he seems to lead jack to the beach, well not lead but goes in that direction and so does jack. Its kinda far fetched i know but with Lost anything is possible.

I think the numbers are rankings for who’s best qualified to protect the island. Locke was all about the island, so he ranks higher than the other survivors. Maybe Jacob himself was number 1, and 2 and 3 might be Walt and/or Aaron. That’s why Jack was so far down. He was never a believer. Also, what if Kwon isn’t Jin or Sun, but their daughter. Think about it, Jacob touches them both at the same time, then they make a baby. On the island, no less.
I also think the blonde boy on the island is Aaron. Maybe from the near future?

MIB is trying to corrupt everyone on the island so that he can prove his long standing view point to Jacob (They come, they destroy, they corrupt- It all ends the same)This cannot be proven unless people inhabit the previously deserted island. So they need “candidates”

Jacob was the person who brought each “candidate” to the island so that MIB could be proved wrong.MIB can’t pick them but can manipulate them once on the island. I believe that as long as Jacob is alive he can keep continuing to bring people to the island.

I believe that Jacob has been proven wrong many times (Black Rock- statue destroyed?, Others having conflict/ killing US Army, same with Dharma, same with Rousseau, Desmond, majority of Oceanic 815) but because he is still alive he can continue to try and prove MIB wrong by bringing more.

Now that MIB found a loophole and managed to kill Jacob using Ben no more “candidates” can be brought there. Therefore for the remainder of the final series we will see MIB trying to corrupt, kill, destroy the remaining picked candidates on the island. Once he has done that the “game” will be over and he will be proved right.

The Valenzetti numbers supposedly represent when humanity will distinguish itself. Now that only 6 candidates(numbers) remain this would indicate we are approaching the conclusion of the story. This could tie into why the numbers brought bad luck to Hugo also.

What we saw in “The substitute” was MIB manipulating the truth to convince Sawyer to do what he asked. Hence I believe showing Sawyer the “candidate list” but not revealing the genuine truth of what the list means. He will manipulate Sawyer in the same way he has Ben and Locke to influence others. With Ben and Locke MIB manipulated the truth in order to get what he wanted/ordered.

Now that Sawyer has lost juliet he wants to leave the island desperately so by MIB stating that he is a candidate and may be chosen to oversee the island forever then this will motivate Sawyer to follow MIB off the island asap.

I believe Widmore found out about MIB by reading the journal of the Black Rock that he bid for at the auction. It was through reading this journal he learnt of Jacob and this MIB. Putting 2 and 2 together he realised and that is why he only wanted Ben removed from the island (He didnt want to rescue islanders as he knew they were candidates) so that MIB/Ben had no influence over his people- making Widmore a good guy!!. The only way that the army guys could get back was by filling the ship with ex-islanders (Miles, Lapidus, Daniel, Charlotte). But MIB told Ben and was in on the act by getting Michael on the ship. That is why Smoke monster killed the army people because if they were to oust Ben he would be back to square one.

Sawyer will now tell other “candidates” to follow him so that they can get off the island. Next may be Lapidus as he will want off island. (Also remember season 3 when Sawyer and Kate were clearing a space for a runway??? season 5 Lapidus landed on that same runway?? possibly able to take off if MIB plan works??)

I think he has recruited Sawyer because Ben has repented and is now on his way to the temple with Ilana so will be uncorruptable.We will see Ben become a repented person as he was only doing bad things when he was following orders from MIB. As a child we saw Ben is actually innocent.

As I’ve already said the remaining episodes we will see MIB try to manipulate the remaining “numbers” The difficulty for him may be to work out whether it is Jin or Sun who are picked, or indeed their child. The same with Claire-Aaron and Michael-Walt. Desmond- Charlie. Widmore- Penny. So don’t be surprised if we see some surprise children crop up (Grown up Aaron, Suns baby, Walt???) and for MIB to get a shock just when he thinks he done it!

As Smokey would say Entertainment, " i am very disapoitned, in all of you !"

Nice move Entertainment, splitting it up into pages. Now, I think the young boy could be Aaron or young jacob and maybe that's why richard couldn't see him and sawyer could (if it's Aaron)cus sawyers actually met him etc. We know that Aaron is important but I think that that now makes claire and jack also maybe a little bit more important or special than the others seeing as they're related to him. And doesn't any1 find it interesting how jack is number 23 and we all know that that number is meant to be very important/significent. Unfortunately I havnt seen the film the number 23 but I'd like to know the jist of it. Finally, just to like to say the Substitute was a fantastic episode, seeing the island is smokeys POV was a nice touch and I'm expecting to see some sort of ritual of the ressurection of Jacob. Wait a sec how many days was it before Jesus rosefrom the dead?…

Well 1 theory based for lost would be that Jacob and man in black are not aware of all mysteries of the island and are working for either the island or the boy shown is season 6 episode 3..The 2 were brought just like Jack and john and eventually jack will replace Jacob and john will replace man in black..

Its all a dream. Jack wakes up in a bar, drunk as a skunk. Looks around and all the people in the bar were in his dream. The bar tender is Jacob and the other dude is another customer having an argument with him. On the tv is a news report of a plane crash and the band about to play is Charlies band Driveshaft.
The bar is called the Black Pearl and is in a yacht harbour. Simples!

In regard to the candidate and who will take the role of Jacob, i think Jack, one: he is the only one we know of so far that know's what the last scene will be and also remember what the tattoo on his arm means, i beleive it was something like " he will lead them ' and i thought the surname shepheard was also fitting.

His tattoo says 'he walks amongst them, yet he is not one of them'. And ofc it's not a dream, the writers have rules out that possibiltiy. The more I think about it the more Jacob reminds me of Jesus, faith in mankind, he'll probly raise from the dead, also that little kid smokey saw, his palms were bleeding, which you no is like jesus's after he was put on the cross. Can't wait for next week! XD

oh ok cool thanks albs, i swear i thought it was he will lead them or something like that.

Another way to look at the boy is in reference to the old saying, got blood on your hands.

Havent the writers also ruled out a connection to religion? Thats what ive heard but could be wrong

I also think there is alot more to Christian than has been shown so far. I guess we will have to wait and see.

The episode, The Lighthouse was great too. just so many questions…
i think it's really startin to heat up now this season, i love seeing Jacob through Hurley, would have been gutted if when he died we didn't see him again.
and as for "some1 bad is coming" think it's safe to say jacobs referring to smokey and claire, and i'm guessing claire will get rid of the circle of ash so smokey can get in. How can they stop him ? hmm

hello
i dont think flashbacks forward sideways actualy exist i think its all in there head ,images planted in there heads to manipilate them into doing things they wouldnt normaly do

No i think in regard to ‘their coming’ is something else, there will always be surprises in lost, whther its the first or last season. I still stand by the theory that whoever is coming is something we would not expect. Not claire and smokey, why would Jacob tell smokey their coming if it was him. Smokey seemed surprised when Jacob told him this, just look at the expression on his face.

Has anyone had any thoughts to my previous post, about the fact that the new flight 815 has so many differences to the old flight 815 eg ( the flight they crashed on, compared to season 6 flight when they didnt crash)

Its more than chance, there are definite changes, to recap:

Jacks appearance( he notices this in bathroom of flight in season 6 – LAX)

also, his so called appendix scar, seem familar?? if not watch season ep 1, when kate stiches jack up.

Jack is wearing same clothes but rose is not. Rose has different lines in season 6 compared to season 1. Also notice the magazine Rose is reading in LAX ep1. Also some of the interactions in season 6 LAX, whebn they get off plane could almost be desribed as dejvu feeling by the charcters when they see each other.

My main point is that the Jack that survived the crash in season 1 is not the same as the Jack that didnt crash on island in season 6. different appearance for a start. Also has anyone thought of why Christians casket didnt make it to LA?? As i said theres more to him than meets the eye so far. What stood out to me was the latest ep, when jack and his mum were looking for his dads will, the photo of christian all in white was symbolic i think.

my thought was that some1 bad is coming, is smokey and claire, which is why i said "some1 bad is coming".
jacob says it to hurley, why on earth would i say "they're coming" is smokey of course it wouldn't be…………. :S

i think when jacob refered to 'there coming' he was talking about charles whitmore and keamy. in the episode lighthouse jacob says some1 is looking for the island meaning…. whitmore

why isn;t anyine commenting on my theory damnit!!!

you got it wrong! that is not what happened juliet took out his appendix is season 3 i think… but still with the right facts it's still very interesting..

Jacob never said it was someone "bad". He told Hurley to go to the lighthouse to help that person get there. I think it will be Desmond. The numbers being related to degrees, and the fact that they were turning it to 108 degrees are dead giveaways.

Jesus, yes he did… towards the end talking to hurley, he says i had to get you away from that temple, because "some1s coming there…some1 bad" and then hurleys like ohh we have to save them. I didn't mean it when he said some1 is coming to the island i need you to help them find it otherwise i would have said that, i was very specific in what i said i thought people would have known what i meant because it wasn't hard but clearly not…

I believe Jacob is the EVIL one!!! DON'T let him fool you!

Maybe neither are really evil and good, maybe just under the circumstances smokeys acting the way he is, we need to know more background information about both tbh

Just had a thought, what if Eloise survived whatever happened after the bomb went off in '77 in the alt timeline?
Would she recognize Jack or Sayid if she saw them? I hope something really big comes from the flash sideways thing. It's interesting to see, but there don't seem to be any real answers coming from it.

And what about Rose and Bernard? Did they go back to 2007 also?

Oh yes, Jacob IS the evil one, but is he better from the TWO evils?

yeah i'm hoping the alt timeline provides a big shock, i thin kthey are building up to it. It is interesting to see aswel and its good to spot the differences and similarities. I think the two timelines will meet, in the last like 5 episodes,but i'm not quite sure what will happen when they meet. any thoughts… ?
i wouldn't mind seeing daniel faraday btw, he's scheduled for this season and i cannot wait to see him , fantastic actor Jeremey Davies

Hi ,
I wanna add sth also there is 2 island ,first we saw at 2004 under water we already knew that
,second one jack sayed and everyone is inside bec. lighthouse jack asked why we didin't see that

they didin't see it bec. it wasn't there…………

i like the idea of 2 islands, but explain it again a bit more clearly.
Any thoughts on who jacob said is goin to come to the island ? The way he looked at hurley and the tone of when he said "oh i'm sure they'll find it some other way" shows that maybe that persons been there b4.
Also big news, apparently kates name was there, either in the cave or on the wheel thing in the ligthouse, and her nme was scrathed out. Carlton Cuse said so in an interview, he said its just a shame in the actual footage that was shown you couldn't quite see it clearly

Episode 7 was awesome,
can't wait for episode 9, Richard Centric episode. Sawyer centric next tho.
ok so in the alt timeline, Ben had been on the island, ok and he left, So can that mean he never got shot as a young lad, cus it was by Sayid but i dno, in that timeline he woudln't of done that? maybe, still need to properly get my head round it.

first episode of this season we saw that island was under water ,so we have to accept that ,the year 2004 island was under water that one is island one ,….

second one after explosion they transferred ? the another island I am not sure about the year ..

because it seems everyone meet each other at 2004 with different circumstances ,so they have to come island together but I don't know why they don't remember each other ??????I assume they meet each other as seen at 2004 ,they come back to island but this is wrong bec. BEN LINUS has a memory about HIS DAUGHTER Alex ,not his student alex so everyone also duplicated…

Kate will be big issue between sawyer and jack ,bec sawyer chose to join MIB ,jack will join jacob team ,bec of juliet and kate they start to be enemy as jacob and jack did ………

i told you it was whitmore who is coming to the island. MIB is the good guy as u will find out in episode 15. its obvious this series is gna finish with sum kinda war between good and evil. also whitmore is evil as u will find out wen he gets to the island. also look out 4 desmond soon(orchid?). we have not seen last of jacob either!!

It was pretty obvious Whitmore was coming back to the island guys, come on…. The question is what did he do to be banished in the first place??
Some poeple seemed to be surprised about a second island??? Its where the polar bear cages were. Where the Ajira flight landed!!

i dno about smokey being evil, as i've said he acts the way he does because of the circumstances he's in and whats been happening to him over the years. i don't think jacob is bad. and yeah shud see desmond soon, episode 8 is sawyers centric, episode 9 is richards which i hear is meant to be amazing. 10 is sun/jins i think and then after that it's desmonds centric. 12th is Hurley, i'm lookin forward to episode 9 very much.
what i hope to see soon is why the losties are candidates to replace jacob. what makes them so special

on the side of jacob and MIB i think that jacob gave him his ability at a price, maybe that he had to stay on the island, MIB said 2 sawyer that he was a man b4 he is what he is now, and when jacob died he couldnt take the form of anyone, so i think thats the fued between them, MIB thinks that jacob "betrayed" him, lied to him used him ETC, but the possibility of whidmore being the bad guy is actually quite good. but still its a big MeH

But MIB definatly thought ben would kill elana (or w.e her name is)

widmore banished first place bec. he and elonor (faraday mom's) they have a baby that's why they banished from the island and widmore is the one who send john locke back to island with help of elonor) so all of them the with MIB ,against of jacop …
I think there is no good and bad ezch circumstances create different things and MIB is only trying to leave island …
and when jacop touches someone ,they can't suicide ,they supposed to be killed by someone else so maybe jacop touched MIB and he tried to kill himself then he transfered to MIB?????????

First of all about the two islands.In fact there is only one island but in different realities (time is just an illusion , everything is happening now)
If MIB wanted to leave the island , he(or it) would have done it. The question is <why is he recruiting?>
OOO and what about the kid who said <you cant kill him> to Locke???

First of all about the two islands.In fact there is only one island but in different realities (time is just an illusion , everything is happening now)
If the MIB (Locke )wanted to leave the island , he would have done it.The question is why is he recruiting?
And what about the kid , the one that said <you cant kill him> to Locke??

i know yeah, the 'rules' and stuff, maybe jacob and smokey can't kill any of the candidates in their game that they're playing against eachother. But yeah that kid, a lot of theories about him being Aaron, cud be. it kinda is a game in a way, how they're recruiting, i was very glad to see Ben stay with illana, i think smokey really thought he'd have gotten ben.

Aaron is the answer… The “LOOPHOLE”

Smokeys conversation with Kate was very interesting.
His mother was "crazy" and so now is Aarons. Interesting because it reminds me of a previous comment about how in the alt timeline claires ultrasound, showed Aaron, and if you did look very closely the baby was like formless for a split second then you saw a baby.

This is nothing new really, but just felt that I have to point it out…

The duality of characters – especially Jacob and MiB – is within themselves. Let me clarify what I mean.

Most of us have thought that Jacob = good/ free will, and MiB = evil/ destiny. However, this is LOST, and nothing is ever gonna be so, er, black and white. All of these terms are relative to each character and their beliefs.

Jacob SEEMS to give people a choice, implying that he is an agent of free will… but in reality, he has been 'weaving the threads of their lives' together just like his tapestry… which gives each person a DESTINY. Thanks to his intervention in their lives, they haven't really had much choice in the matter… Locke should have died a long time ago, but he didn't ask for Jacob to revive him yet leave him paralysed, did he? Sayid was forced, thru Ilana, to return to the Island EVEN THOUGH HE HAD ALREADY MADE HIS CHOICE TO STAY WELL AWAY. No need to go thru all the examples… it's obvious whichever Lostie you apply this logic to. And this is all in order to find his replacement… but the right candidate NEEDS to make that 'DECISION' themselves. (Also, during Jacob's reign, notice how Eloise Hawking keeps talking about DESTINY… e.g. Desmond didn't have a choice when he was timeskipping. "You're NOT SUPPOSED to buy the ring…" etc.)

MiB, now, seems to give people a choice – except that there is none! It's more blatant, that's all. "Leave the temple by sundown – or die." Well, that's a no-brainer if I ever heard one! And to Sawyer… "1) You can do nothing – and probably get your name crossed out… 2) You can join your friends at the temple… 3) You can help me, and we can leave here and go home."

Now I don't want to state the obvious, but 1 & 2 are not even options… 1) Get 'eliminated' (implying 'death'), or 2) Rejoin your mates in a safe place – oh, by the way, I'm shortly gonna make that place UNsafe and destroy everyone there. Or 3) we can all skip off into the sunset, alive and happy. What idea appeals to you, James?

If he twisted Sawyer's arm any further, Mr Ford would be doing yoga right now.

And since both Jacob and MiB believe that they are doing what they do for justifiable reasons, their followers are under the impression that they are 'the good guys' following the right person. In reality they are obviously being manipulated no matter who they follow, but Jacob does it in a more amicable way, while MiB is more direct/ stern/ cold. Jacob manipulates through misdirection and secrecy, while MiB manipulates through 'truth' – although it is a distorted version of the truth.

I would have to put it like Dogen: "In every man, there is a balance of good and evil." Jacob's scale might indeed tip SLIGHTLY towards good, and MiB's seems to tip SLIGHTLY towards evil… but to me, the tip in each case is VERY, very subtle. I wouldn't even be surprised if there is truth in a theory that they may represent opposing aspects of the same being.

In yin, there is an aspect of yang… and vice versa. Thus the balance of all that exists is maintained.

Whew! Got a bit carried away with that comment, but thanks for reading. Thoughts, anyone?

This is nothing new really, but just felt that I have to point it out…

The duality of characters – especially Jacob and MiB – is within themselves. Let me clarify what I mean.

Most of us have thought that Jacob = good/ free will, and MiB = evil/ destiny. However, this is LOST, and nothing is ever gonna be so, er, black and white. All of these terms are relative to each character and their beliefs.

Jacob SEEMS to give people a choice, implying that he is an agent of free will… but in reality, he has been 'weaving the threads of their lives' together just like his tapestry… which gives each person a DESTINY. Thanks to his intervention in their lives, they haven't really had much choice in the matter… Locke should have died a long time ago, but he didn't ask for Jacob to revive him yet leave him paralysed, did he? Sayid was forced, thru Ilana, to return to the Island EVEN THOUGH HE HAD ALREADY MADE HIS CHOICE TO STAY WELL AWAY. No need to go thru all the examples… it's obvious whichever Lostie you apply this logic to. And this is all in order to find his replacement… but the right candidate NEEDS to make that 'DECISION' themselves. (Also, during Jacob's reign, notice how Eloise Hawking keeps talking about DESTINY… e.g. Desmond didn't have a choice when he was timeskipping. "You're NOT SUPPOSED to buy the ring…" etc.)

MiB, now, seems to give people a choice – except that there is none! It's more blatant, that's all. "Leave the temple by sundown – or die." Well, that's a no-brainer if I ever heard one! And to Sawyer… "1) You can do nothing – and probably get your name crossed out… 2) You can join your friends at the temple… 3) You can help me, and we can leave here and go home."

Now I don't want to state the obvious, but 1 & 2 are not even options… 1) Get 'eliminated' (implying 'death'), or 2) Rejoin your mates in a safe place – oh, by the way, I'm shortly gonna make that place UNsafe and destroy everyone there. Or 3) we can all skip off into the sunset, alive and happy. What idea appeals to you, James?

If he twisted Sawyer's arm any further, Mr Ford would be doing yoga right now.

And since both Jacob and MiB believe that they are doing what they do for justifiable reasons, their followers are under the impression that they are 'the good guys' following the right person. In reality they are obviously being manipulated no matter who they follow, but Jacob does it in a more amicable way, while MiB is more direct/ stern/ cold. Jacob manipulates through misdirection and secrecy, while MiB manipulates through 'truth' – although it is a distorted version of the truth.

I would have to put it like Dogen: "In every man, there is a balance of good and evil." Jacob's scale might indeed tip SLIGHTLY towards good, and MiB's seems to tip SLIGHTLY towards evil… but to me, the tip in each case is VERY, very subtle. I wouldn't even be surprised if there is truth in a theory that they may represent opposing aspects of the same being.

In yin, there is an aspect of yang… and vice versa. Thus the balance of all that exists is maintained.

Whew! Got a bit carried away with that comment, but thanks for reading. Thoughts, anyone?

Just had a thought…

Richard said that when Jacob touches you it's a gift/curse. Whichever it is, does that mean Locke would have been the same as Richard after Jacob touched him( when he was pushed out of the window) so if ben hadnt killed him…..
To the new timeline, does that mean assuming Jacob still revived him, he won't age now. That would be kinda strange because he won't know why.
If i'm wrong then it's gonna be a nice plot hole. I mean he must of still been there to revive him otherwise wouldnt he have died after the fall, he must have otherwise Jacob would never have touched him in the first place.

ok so i've only just heard and read about the whole champagne bottle spoiler.
Champagne bottle with the cork flyin out, and apparently that relates to what the island is. Also what the island is, is a 4 letter word with an "O" in it and not an A or E. so cOrk is the only word people are comin up with that can relate it to that picture.
Readin some things about the episode Ab Aeterno (in Latin means "since the beginning of time") it looks like a very promising episode with answers and flashbacks i might add, instead of flashforwards.

I dont get the cork theory???
Is the cork holding in the darkness or Mr Black?

instead of flashsideways* i meant

now i get it, good pick up Albs!!

Loved the last episode!

OMG, arguably the BEST episode of lost EVER. i cudn't believe how good it was. Jacob was fantastic, Smokey too. Nestor Carbonells acting aswel, brilliant.

So the island effectively, is a cork, to keep smokey away from getting well onto Earth i suppose. Few people kinda guessed it, i said it would end up bad on earth if u know, the cork wasn't there. Episode 15 is meant to be similar to that, a Smokey centric, i cannot wait for that. Smokey is the best deceiver ever. The way Jacob spoke about how he has to let people do things for themselves, stick up for themselves. How every1 else that Jacob brung to the island to prove smokey wrong had died, that was all very good to see. Jacob is my favourite character. Love him.

That episode really did just give so many answers, i loved seeing how the statue fell to pieces. I can see deaths towards the end, but i can also see a few Losties left, and the "devil" or smokey bein killed. That'll be the ending, He wont get away and like destroy everything i don't think. Some of the Losties will probly end up kiling eachother, i'm very glad that Bens on Jacobs side, i do hope Kate and Sawyer come over too but Smokey will probly have a fair amount of people. It wont neccessarily be seen as a happy ending, because i think it'll be sad (cause i'm expecting u know main characters to die) but happy in the sense that smokey will be gone i feel. Mankind wins, just my thoughts tho.

As Widmore said to Locke when he was in the hospital "there's a war coming". etc you better make sure you're on the right side, hmm interesting scene thinkin about it, he says to Locke something like, "the wrong team will win" if he's not there or somethin. Wonder if he meant that if he didn't go back to the island, ( u know maybe smokey takin over his body) that smokeys team would win, maybe Widmore saw it happen.
Any1 else agree that it was possibly the best episode of LOST ever ??

Super episode with Richard last nite, just an observation. it seems that the 2 sides being formed (jacobs team and MIB's team) are showed in the promotional poster for lost that resembles the last supper. the producers of lost said they had a hand in the promotion posters and everything was on purpose. there is a picture of it under the season 6 section of lost on wikipedia. Thoughts???

ahhh a thoughts popped into mind.
Ok so smokeys discussion with Kate about his mother was crazy, kinda thing and how Aarons mom is too. Maybe thats a big factor as to why he's "devil/malevolence/evil/darkness" and now it makes me wonder because Aaron is living off the island. This is interesting because if Aaron is so important because he turns out to be a new kind of black smoke, then he might "spread" like smokey cud and everything Jacob has done to stop smokey from leaving the island to stop people eventually being corrupt, he may not have seen that Aaron can do it too.
Just a thought i hope it's not true tho, although in the flashsideways Claires ultrasound i still think b4 we saw the baby there was smoke, a cloud which then formed into a baby. But maybe not, Jacob surely would have seen it coming.

Hi All,

Just wana i have loved the past 2 episodes.

Obviously there are still lots of questions but in a subtle way things are being answered.

Hey i dont know if this is relevant at all but has noticed that the actor/guy who plays Jacob, is the same guy who plays Lucifer on the series supernatural.
Maybe just a coincidence…..who knows.

Also very interesting what ”locke” said to Sayid.
when Sayid said about not feeling anything etc, locke than sez well maybe that good to help with what is coming.

Kinda scary dont ya think?

And what Whitmore said, when locke asked what he know about him, and Whitmore replies, only what i have heard in myths, legends and etc.

What ever is happening on that island is very old/ ancient.

I think we shud be prepared for the worst!! (deathss me thinks)! The way smokey said to sayid about "whats coming" i just expect it to mean Sayid takin down losties tbh. And it wont neccessairly be bad for Sayid cus he's all, weird and a robot pratically. I hope not but as the seasons coming to an end i just don't expect to see all the losties alive in the finale,gonna have to start killin some off.

Also i am very excited for the next episode Happily Ever After. Desmond centric, meant to be seeing some surprise appearences too. i'm not gonna say who but i saw the casting, and my fave characters BACK shud be very interesting

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Poor desmond but at the end of the episode, which desmond is it???

I guess poor Locke too, the normal locke that is…

What are people's thoughts to the link between flashforward and lost? For anyone who hasnt noticed there was of course the oceanic billboard in flashforward and as we know oceanic doesnt exist in real life.
Ive been thinking although the show most likely isnt a spin off, what if it's linked around the event that occurs.

It may just be a seperate timeline, we know in lost how many timelines can exist. But what links the shows is the event.
If we have any flashforward fans here, you would have heard damien monhans character talking about the quantum entanglement device or ring. I have noticed in lost that charlie never takes his drive shaft ring off. I dont maybe it's totally unrelated.
Also maybe in flashfoward the mystery employer is again charles whitmore??

on the last episode in season 5 i dnt know if its just on my dvd or it was ther 4 all of u but did ur screen go black at one point then back to normal,this was when locke was talking to jacob.

I think the final scene will be jack and locke sitting on the beach alone on the island.
Just like we saw jacob and mr black.
Jack will be the one that replaces Jacob and Mr Black is still there but in lockes form.

Also an interesting comment from locke 2.0 in last weeks episode. When kate and james are talking to him and he is talking baout getting off the island. He sez '' it's the only way we are getting of this… godforsaken rock ''

For a slight moment he stops before he sez god forsaken rock. Has god forsaken him or is it just the expression he chose?

John Locke (1632-1704):
"The Philosopher of Freedom."
"Good and evil, reward and punishment, are the only motives to a rational creature: these are the spur and reins whereby all mankind are set on work, and guided." (Locke.)

John Locke (pronounced /ˈlɒk/; 29 August 1632 – 28 October 1704), widely known as the Father of Liberalism,[2][3][4] was an English philosopher and physician regarded as one of the most influential of Enlightenment thinkers. Considered the first of the British empiricists, he is equally important to social contract theory. His work had a great impact upon the development of epistemology and political philosophy. His writings influenced Voltaire and Rousseau, many Scottish Enlightenment thinkers, as well as the American revolutionaries. His contributions to classical republicanism and liberal theory are reflected in the American Declaration of Independence.[5]

Locke's theory of mind is often cited as the origin of modern conceptions of identity and the self, figuring prominently in the work of later philosophers such as Hume, Rousseau and Kant. Locke was the first to define the self through a continuity of consciousness. He postulated that the mind was a blank slate or tabula rasa. Contrary to pre-existing Cartesian philosophy, he maintained that we are born without innate ideas, and that knowledge is instead determined only by experience derived from sense perception
anyone read this !!obviously this is where there character came from!!

Cannot wait for Across the Sea. My moneys on it being the best episode ever !!
A better version of Ab Aterno (which was incredible) me thinks. Don't care what i see in this or any episode, my view of Jacob being the good guy and smokey bad wont change. I'm guessing in Across the Sea they'll show Jacob as bein a bit of a prick and maybe make us reason and empathize with smokey but nooo thanks!

wow i thought i was obsessed… anyways guys you have to remember every single clue even the ones that you think dont matter, because they all connent…
as for the black smoke, it is what has become of Jacobs brother, after all the tragety he faced he was thrown into light but only darkness came out????? we saw how Saeds darkness could take over him because of his losses???
ive heard so many theorys, one that ive heard is they are all apart of hueys metal dellusions, remeber he was in a mental institute???
another i heard is they are all stuck between heaven and earth and its a battle between Jacob and the black smoke on who enters where, and also when some of them die they cannot leave the island as they have unfinished business like make a good deed or something, just like micheal the dark guy with the kid.

theres so many theories its hard to tell but there is only couple more episodes left and we now know bits more, but im still getting caught in the twists….i just hope the finally is not disapointing because i will be gutted..

well all enjoy

The smoke monster awakens periodically. When it does a group of people are lured to the island. If there is a battle, the monster feeds and then goes into hibernation until it needs to feed again. If there is no battle, the monster dies of starvation. The monster wants to leave the island because it wants to make sure that it never runs out of food. After all, there is always fighting and hatred somewhere in the world. Jack prevents the monster from leaving the island — probably with the help of his friends. Jack and his friends are then transported into their current "real" lives as if nothing has happened. Yet, deep inside, they know something is different. They will not remember what has happened until the monster awakes again, and another adventure will begin — with Jack and the friends being called upon to deter the monster once again. Or, which I think is more likely: the descendants of Jack and his friends will be called upon to accomplish the task. Maybe David and Aaron will be the leaders of the next adventure. Or maybe David and Aaron will be a Jacob-Monster combo in years to come.

Sad and beautiful ending!!! Gonna miss lost

I was happy with the way the show ended. Sad to see it go but I liked the ending. I hope that there could be a spin off of the show like with Hurley’s life leading the island and being the new Jacob with Ben helping him. I think that would be an acceptable reason for a LOST Spin-Off

Kenny

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