Mass Effect 3′s damage control confusion

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After all the controversy surrounding the ending of Mass Effect 3, it seems like there are mixed views on whether or not the true ending DLC was actually meant to be free. The uproar that has surrounded the incomplete and unresolved conclusions has been so great that is has even amounted to a new watchdog group for gamers called Retake Gaming, originally known as Retake Mass Effect 3.

This situation may have caused BioWare and EA to re-think their stance, as various sites have commented that the ending was false advertisement and Gaming Blend recently wrote about the true ending not ever meaning to be free. However, an update to their article informing their readers that BioWare’s Michael Gamble spoke about this and that they always intended it to be free, which adds to the confusion of whether this really was an openhanded gesture to appease Mass Effect 3′s fans.

According to Kotaku, the recently released Mass Effect 3 Resurgence Multiplayer Pack, which is free, was not meant to be, and this is due to a mistake by someone at Microsoft listing the DLC for its intended 320 MS Points. This is where BioWare had to act quickly and inform people not to purchase the free DLC and to hang on while they sort out this problem.

Some may feel that this free downloadable content is how EA deals with damage control as the situation was getting out of control and recent bad press from the “Worst Company in America” award has not helped their current status. Apparently, the word on the street is that ending was always planned to be vague and that a few months after its release the true ending was expected to be available from $5 and $10.

GamesIndustry.Biz feel that the controversy surrounding Mass Effect 3′s ending is actually a positive one regarding it as good for the industry, and they go on to mention the amount of comments on the net about the endings with many responses highlighting that their choices don’t really have an affect to the outcome. This is seen as a turning point for the video games industry as more gamers want more emphasis put on their control, which shows a change in pattern to how new titles are viewed nowadays.

Last week we wrote about the Mass Effect 3 patch going live and that the downloadable content will follow, although we also mentioned that the choices you make with this patch will not mean a thing when you get to the end of the game, as we hope another DLC will be here soon to resolve the issue with the ending. Do you feel that the DLC was intended to be free?

 
  • Anonymous

    I don’t think the ending was ever going to be free. EA was going to try and milk every bit of money out of Mass Effect. It started with Day 1 DLC. And then with the Ending DLC, they would have effectively milked out quite a bit of additional money by cutting content from the game. Mass Effect 3 was likely test ground for EA to see how much they could get away with. Turns out the gamer community is not as brainless as they thought.

    • Anonymous

      the day 1 dlc was the dlc released as part of the collectors addition. Generally, people who didnt buy the collectors edition would never get this content such as the collector armour in mass effect 2. I think that it was great that bioware made it available to the public at all.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corbin-Allen/100000623047514 Corbin Allen

        Except anyone who has any copy of ME3 gets the collector armor in ME3.   

        And they also get the Dragon armor. 
        Oh, and the day 1 DLC is already on the disk, and on the PC version, hack-unlockable. 

        • Shannon McLean

          According to the Final Hours app, Javik was intended as part of the original game at first. They cut him due to time constraints, and rather than offering him for free as a promotional deal (as normally happens in cases like that), they ‘gave’ players the ‘opportunity’ to pay $10 for his actually-very-crucial-to-the-story plotline.

          How charitable of them.

        • Qwillard

          Slightly off topic, but the DLC isn’t ‘unlockable’ as such. If you complete the hack etc, Javik is only available when you are taken to the ‘select squad members’  window.

           He won’t be on the Normandy at all and his mission isn’t available either. If you want the story that goes with the character, buying it is really the only way to get it. 

      • Averre

        So…if i was to sell you a car, lock you out of it, then sell you back the keys for $10…this would not only be a fair and logical move to you, but you would also be thrilled that I had the courtesy to sell it to you right away?

      • Anonymous #unknown

        Zaeed was free day 1 dlc offered as a promotional item for those who bought a new copy of the game, that’s fair.  Making people pay another $10 for a critical lore character that was finished and available on day is not.

  • AngryHanar

    All I want is a fitting ending to a game franchise I invested time AND money into.Whether the resurgence pack, and future DLC is intended to be free or not, I just want to (as a consumer) be satisfied with my product (ME3) which I am not.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kenneth.hytten Kenneth Hytten

    I want an ending worth the fantastic franchise i spent 100 + hours playing and investing my emotions into!

  • Boycotte EA

    The ending is broken, if you buy a broken item from a store you return it to get an unbroken item.  Considering I doubt Bioware or EA have a copy of the game where the ending isn`t broken I think it`s only fair they: A, make the all future DLC free, or B, give me my money back.  The former is about as unlikely as the later, but is the option that would guarantee I remain a paying customer.

    • Anonymous

      the ending isn’t broken if it performs exactly as its maker intended it to. Dont think that just because you didnt like the ending, bioware owes you anything

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Corbin-Allen/100000623047514 Corbin Allen

        How the maker intended does not match “as advertised”.   If someone sells you a toaster and tells you it makes toast, but what it really does is irradiate your entire house, you don’t write it off as “oh, well”.  Money is money. 

      • http://www.facebook.com/Seanabhainn Shannon Pate

        Because as long as the manufacturer is satisfied with the product, the consumer can go take a flying leap?  Great business strategy.

      • Shannon McLean

        (Spoilers to follow.)

        The authorial intent argument is getting pretty stale.  The ending is clearly a rushed product – why does it not take any of your decisions into account?  Because it’s simpler to just offer you new ‘choices’ than to have it search around and determine itself through previous event flags.  Why are the ending cutscenes almost virtually the same?  Because it’s quicker just to add some lightning-y bits and change a few colours than do entirely separate sequences.  Why does your love interest’s picture only flash up if it’s Liara, Kaidan, or Ashley?  Because they were too lazy to make shots of anyone else.  Why is the Citadel’s final level made of an amalgam of other set pieces from the game?  Because they ran out of time to render a completely new area.  Why do Anderson and the Illusive Man teleport into a room with only one entrance via one, long corridor that the player could clearly see the entirety of?  Because they couldn’t be arsed to put in another entryway.  Why does the Normandy inexplicably flee from the single most important battle in the history of galactic civilization?  Because they couldn’t even take five minutes to think up a decent explanation or show a sequence illustrating why they would leave.  Why do characters who should be dead or on Earth walk out of the crash site at the end?  Because they didn’t take the time to flag them as dead or absent for that scene.

        Why should I respect what the maker intended to do when said maker didn’t even take the time to do it properly?

      • Boycotte EA

        Actually, as a paying customer Bioware owes me a lot of things.  It’s no different if I buy any other product, like a fridge.  If I buy a fridge for the purpose of refrigerating my food and it doesn’t do so, then I have the right to ask for a replacement from where I purchased it.  If there is no replacement I have the right to ask the manufacturer to fix it, however if they don’t then they have to give me my money back because I paid for a functioning fridge, and the fridge doesn’t work.  I bought Mass Effect 3 for the purpose of getting a logical and satisfying conclusion to the series.  The ending is broken because it offers no logical, satisfying conclusion to the series, and it lacks the closure an ending should have.  The ending offers no logical explanation for anything that happens (other than space magic) and the ending isn’t even satisfying on a bitter sweet sense.  At the end of the day Mass Effect 3 is a consumer product, therefore I am within my right to ask Bioware to fix this broken ending.  If you don’t think its broken then don’t ask them to fix it, but don’t try to take away my right as a consumer because you like the ending.  Don’t think that just because you like the ending that makes everyone’s opinions contra to yours irrelevant.

  • Spaz31

    A youtube video series of the new ending(s) would be fine with me.

    honestly, the ending to me was satisfying, but I would like to see a more epic ending where the fleet destroys the reapers or whatever. If you paid any close attention to the lore and story, you could fill in the blanks on those so called “plot wholes”, but gamers today want eye candy to explain what happened instead of piecing together with all the info provided. Too much complaining…its a game and a very good one at that. Worth my money and time. **Cried when Mordin sacrficed himself for ghenophage cure**

    • HURR HURR I’M DUMB

      Well since i am too stupid to pay any attention to the lore and story of the game would you mind filling the holes for me? Why didn’t the Catalyst just finish Sovereign’s job in the first game? Why is synthesis even an option? Its not mentioned in the entire game, while destroy/control was. How did my squad mates who were running with me toward the conduit get beamed up onto the Normandy? Why didn’t the relays go supernova and destroy everything? Why was Sovereign an arrogant douche bag? According to the God child they were just trying to save us. Sovereign claims that the reapers built the Citadel and the Relays, not the opposite way around. Why did the Reapers turn the Rachni against the galaxy? Why did Shepard just give in to the God child’s logic instead of arguing that coexistence is possible like he had for the past 3 games?

      • Shannon McLean

        Why did Harbinger express such special interest in humanity and trash-talk your alien teammates’ genetic potential in ME2 if they always ‘ascend’ all of the advanced civilizations anyway?  Why does the Normandy look the same in the Synthesis ending, even though it should technically be part biological (and glowing green, I suppose) now?  Why did my DEAD squad member walk out of the crashed ship at the end?  Why don’t the Reapers target the geth first if their primary concern is the danger of a synthetic uprising destroying all potential for organic life?  If the goal is to stop civilizations from creating synthetics, and the Catalyst was able to orchestrate the developmental lines of those civilizations, why didn’t he just ensure that the knowledge for creating artificial intelligence would never intersect with the development of them instead?  How does Shepard Control the Reapers if he/she is dead?  Scratch that, how does Shepard Control the Reapers when the geth make it clear that even one Reaper’s single thought is beyond the comprehension of their entire consensus?  What is the line between synthetic ‘life’ and synthetic material?  In the Synthesis ending, the effects to biological lifeforms apply to even plants and generally all biological material, it seems, so wouldn’t Destroy have technically ruined every piece of technology in the galaxy, thereby dooming most civilizations and killing everyone in space?  If the system could distinguish between certain categories of synthetics, why couldn’t it distinguish between the Reapers, the geth, and EDI?  Is it just that the Catalyst chose not to and Shepard couldn’t be bothered to ask?  Would Destroy have killed the Quarians, with their geth-fused suits and cybernetic implants?  How is the Normandy going to repair itself on a ruined jungle planet?  Are Garrus and Tali – or everyone else in the crew, or just everyone all around – going to starve to death?  If no, why not?  Why does the team on Earth pull back from the beam if Harbinger is retreating?  How did Anderson make it through to the beam when there’s absolutely no sign of him on the battlefield?  What happened to the teammates following you if you didn’t see them die?  If the Catalyst views Shepard making it to his chamber as the game-changing moment to break potentially billions of years of cycles, why does he activate the elevator to lift him/her up to said chamber himself?  If he can activate that elevator, why couldn’t he activate the other parts of the Citadel and, as the guy above me pointed out, prevent the entire plot of ME1? Why did the Reapers bring the Citadel to Earth and not Batarian space?  How did they get it to Earth?  What happened to the people living on the Citadel?  Are they all dead?  Indoctrinated?  Perfectly fine and horribly frightened?  Rather than orchestrating a huge battle in London, why didn’t we try to sneak onto the Citadel via the Conduit on Ilos?  Was it deactivated?  Were there Reapers at Ilos, too?  Why did the Reapers even turn the beam on in London in the first place?  To transport bodies to the Citadel?  Why?  How is it a more efficient processing plant, especially considering that they now know it is potentially their biggest weakness in this fight and the key to the Crucible?  Why didn’t they just deactivate the beam as soon as the fleet arrived, especially if they were going to redirect their forces towards safe-guarding it, and therefore had some concerns that someone might actually make it through and open the arms?  How did all of the previous civilizations of the galaxy manage to build upon and add to the Crucible without having any idea of what it would even do?  Who built the structures on the Citadel designed to interact with it?  Why would they build them to do one of three potential things at the expense of the Mass Relays?  Why does Shepard take everything the Catalyst says as truth, even though he just confessed to creating the Reapers, who are known to be manipulative and deceitful?  Why does the Catalyst look like the boy from Shepard’s dreams?  Why does Shepard not even ask a passing question about this, as such a form could be seen as a transparent attempt at manipulating his/her sympathies?  Why do the blasts from the Control and Synthesis endings damage the Normandy’s engines to the point of causing an actual crash-landing?  Did they damage the engines of the ships around Earth, too?  The Citadel was in comparatively close visual range of Earth, and it blows apart in the Destroy and Synthesis endings.  Are the pieces going to be drawn into Earth’s gravity and crash into the planet?  Would there be anything left of it after that?

        Please tell me.  These questions have been bothering me a little bit, and so far the only reasonably explanation I’ve heard is that most of it didn’t actually happen.

        • Spaz31

           99% of your questions would be answered if you listened to the story, the other 1% would be “its entertainment bro, don’t take it so seriously”.

          • Stasis

             But they aren’t.

          • Averre

            One more EA/Bioware apologist. Just because you’re willing to roll over and take whatever the industry pushes on you dosen’t mean we have to.

          • peterjames

             I have another quick question.  According to lore, being knocked out of FTL causes lethal Cherenkov radiation.  When the Normandy was abandoning the war effort, it’s a good guess it was traveling FTL.  I mean, it’s trying to outrun something, why wouldn’t it?  The magic light then destroys the rear of the Normandy or the engines overloaded either way would have knocked it out of FTL.  Why no radiation?

            Oh yeah, I chose the destroy ending and EDI walked out of my ship.  Why? 

            So the turians are for sure going to go extinct now?  I mean, palaven essentially destroyed, the refugees were on the citadel, the rest in the Sol system.  According to lore, FTL speeds are only sustainable for a few hours before having to discharge the core.  It also says that space between the relays is too great for FTL as there are no core discharge points.  Turians can’t eat the same things everybody else can, unless they share with the Quarians.  Hopefully the Quarians brought their life ships with them since they’re stranded in Sol also.

            Oh, and don’t know if you have the whole story made up in your head, but I’ve played all 3 games 4 times in a row now, reading every shred of lore.  99% of those questions are not answered unless you make assumptions that go against the lore.  If an event goes against a certain set of rules or the lore that is firmly established, an explanation is needed on why it went against those rules, not left for assumption.  That is poor writing.

            If the last book of my favorite series had every other page torn out of the last chapter and left me to just fill in the gaps with assumption and “speculation,” I would be disappointed.

          • Spaz31

            What is it with everyone thinking someone said something that they never said. All 3 games 4 times in a row, thank god I have a life. We shouldn’t be going into  FTL technicalities here thats way too much off topic. Every story and lore has wholes that need filled if your going that far.

          • Gonzo

             You keep telling yourself that.

          • Spaz31

            I think I will. Sounds logical enough.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Watson/1194548259 Jim Watson

            What!  I’ve beat every mass effect game several times and it leaves a million questions(Check any thread on theBSN)  “don’t take it so seriously”  thats how you defend your position. NO offence but you are a tool

        • Gavccu

          Well, according to news reports this week about the discovery and possiblity of XNA (Synthetic DNA) it looks like Synthesis was the right ending to choose amiright?

      • Spaz31

         1. would you mind filling the holes for me? (no I don’t mind. Passes the time while I’m working.)

        2. Why didn’t the Catalyst just finish Sovereign’s job in the first game? (Catalyst was only formed when the Crucible and The Citadel converged. Sovereign was only a scout to see if the corn was ripe for the reaping and to start the process.)

        3. Why is synthesis even an option? (Catalyst was a unknown element in the building of the Crucible and know one had any idea this was going to be a option resolving the Reaper threat. Which is why synthesis wasn’t mentioned at all, but you sort of had the idea looking at the geth and Shepard who is part synthetic. I think most of us who listened to the story figured out this was going to be a control or destroy Reapers outcome to ME3)

        4. How did my squad mates who were running with me toward the conduit get beamed up onto the Normandy? (I don’t recall looking back and seeing my companions, I do recall soldiers everywhere. Looking at youtube videos I don’t see anyone looking back to see where their teammate were, but I could be proven wrong here, but any case they could have been behind Shep and survived blast and he was closer than his companions. And don’t you remember the order to regroup by Hackett?)

        5. Why didn’t the relays go supernova and destroy everything? (I’m sure it had something to do with the energy coming from the Crucible/Citadel and the Catalyst saying it would only effect synthetics, or depending on what option you choose)

        6. Why was Sovereign an arrogant douche bag? (As i recalled, Sovereign only stated what it was programed to say in a robotic dominate voice. Sorry you see it as douche baggery.)

        7. According to the God child they were just trying to save us.Sovereign claims that the reapers built the Citadel and the Relays, not the opposite way around. (Catalyst or your “God Child” is a AI that evolved and most likely created the Reapers and therefore created the Citadel and the Relays. To prevent total annihilation of organics from synthetics, created vs the creators which inevitably always happens, advanced civilizations were collected by the reapers to fuse with them so the species they reaped would never truly die. And the lower evolved species could rise so the cycle never ended and life would continue.)

        8. Why did the Reapers turn the Rachni against the galaxy? (The reapers tried to turn all advanced civilizations against each other to speed up the reaping process. Rachni were no different from humans, turians, asari…etc)

        9. Why did Shepard just give in to the God child’s logic instead of arguing
        that coexistence is possible like he had for the past 3 games? (As I recall, he did argue, though maybe not as much as you wanted him to. He was shot and badly injured so his low energy probably played a factor to his lack of extensive argument. Everything was dying around him and he was presented with choices which would end the conflict.)

        So like I said before. Instead of crying over spilled milk (crashes, glitches…etc), your crying over why your parents got skim instead of 2% milk. (Their hard work and dedication means nothing to you?) This was a excellent game which I’ll be playing a lot for many years. And thanking my parents for their hard work! :)

        • there is still time for you

          Don’t you hear yourself…you are indoctrinated.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HIFFTY3ZKTNGCMWIONFWZGICEU Wai Chi

          2. (Catalyst was only formed when the Crucible and The Citadel
          converged. )
          No, I paid very much attention to the story and the story didn’t say that. Instead, Catalyst already existed for aeons, becasue he is the one created the Reapers in the first place.

          3. (Catalyst was a unknown element
          in the building of the Crucible and know one had any idea this was going
          to be a option resolving the Reaper threat. Which is why synthesis
          wasn’t mentioned at all, but you sort of had the idea looking at the
          geth and Shepard who is part synthetic. I think most of us who listened
          to the story figured out this was going to be a control or destroy
          Reapers outcome to ME3)
          If you paid attention to the story, Synthesis was the idea of Saren, and Shepard was against that.

          4. (And don’t you remember the order to regroup by Hackett?)
          Why Hackett’s regroup order would result in Normanday flying down to Earth picking up your squadmates, abandoning you, and then ran away from the battle for no reason? They didn’t know there would be explosions.

          5. (I’m
          sure it had something to do with the energy coming from the
          Crucible/Citadel and the Catalyst saying it would only effect
          synthetics, or depending on what option you choose)
          If you paid attention to the story, Mass Relay (MR) destruction being so catastrophic is because of the energy originally stored in MR being released. Crucible/Catalyst’s energy harmless or not is irrelevant.

          6.  (As i recalled,
          Sovereign only stated what it was programed to say in a robotic dominate
          voice. Sorry you see it as douche baggery.)
          Sovereign and Harbinger were both douche baggery. You didn’t paid enough attention to their conversation scene.

          7. According to the God child they were just trying to save
          us.Sovereign claims that the reapers built the Citadel and the Relays,
          not the opposite way around. (Catalyst or your “God Child” is a AI that
          evolved and most likely created the Reapers and therefore created the
          Citadel and the Relays. )
          Citadel is part of the Catalyst. They are the same one entity. Reaper can’t create what created them.
          If you say Catalyst was somehow “merged” with Citadel after Citadel is created, no, I paid much attention to the story and the story didn’t mention that.

          9.  (As I
          recall, he did argue, though maybe not as much as you wanted him to. He
          was shot and badly injured so his low energy probably played a factor to
          his lack of extensive argument. Everything was dying around him and he
          was presented with choices which would end the conflict.)
          Not just coexistence, Shepard should have argued about many things. Like Synthesis (Saren’s idea) and Control (TIM’s idea), these are the ideas he/she refused to accept before, but now asked to do. And most importantly, Shepard MUST argue about Mass Relay’s destruction. Even though some players say the destruction this time is different, Shepard wouldn’t know. To Shepard, it’s armageddon of the Galaxy! She MUST argue before agreeing to do it. Bad injury is not an excuse.

          So, if you have paid enough attention to the story of all ME1-3, you will know all you explanations are wrong.

          And players should not be supposed to explain contradictions by themselves in the first place. Open ending for interpretation is OK. But contradicting ending for explanation is another thing.

          • Spaz31

            You misrepresented a lot of what I said.

            2. Of course Catalyst/Citadel had existed for aeons that part was obvious, but no one knew it would be a AI that created the reapers. It form was only seen when the Crucible converged with the Citadel.

            3. Saren was indoctrinated just like the Illusive man. Shepard did not want to join with the reapers, who are the ideal “Synthesis” beings, So like I said before. Options everyone must have thought were either control or destroy. Its no surprize that the Synthesis option became available given Geth and Shepard and Saren since you brought that up.

            4. They believed Shepard was killed when Harbringer came down. Regroup usually means rally to a secure position. Normandy, being the fastest ship in the fleet with stealth, would be pretty safe to me. I’m sure once Joker saw the explosion from the Citadel he would get the hell out of there.

            5. “Crucible/Catalyst’s energy harmless or not is irrelevant.” Keep telling yourself that…I guess the different colors meant nothing.

            6. “Sovereign and Harbinger were both douche baggery. You didn’t paid enough attention to their conversation scene.” matter of opinion…dont beat yourself on such matters.

            7. “Citadel is part of the Catalyst. They are the same one entity. Reaper can’t create what created them.If you say Catalyst was somehow “merged” with Citadel after Citadel is created, no, I paid much attention to the story and the story didn’t mention that.” You got something mixed around here. I never said the reapers were the creators. I said Catalyst, the “God Child” as someone stated, created the Reapers. Catalyst probably used the reapers to create the Citadel and the Mass relays through indoctrating species to do the work…who knows, but the point was that the reapers were not the creator, but the created.

            9. Shot, wounded, bleeding to death, friends, comrades dying all around. If you would rather waste time (on the verge of death even) debating with the creator of the reapers and the mass relays over why only these options, then I’m glad your not saving the world, giving the option to save lives during a mass war. It’s a game that implamented the human element wisely which made it so entertaining. The creator of the Mass relays told Shepard his options and did not say anything about mass total destruction, but the destruction of the reapers and synthetic life to end the cycle. Synthesis was not going to destroy anything only send out the energy through the destruction of mass relays and fuse new DNA to organics and synthetics. And since the ending video did not show the total annhilation of everything I’m think its safe to say that the energy that came from the Cataylst/Citadel was some sort of  red,green,blue neutralizer that used the mass effect relay energy to send out whatever energy to the entire galaxy.I like these talks, It passes time while im working. Thanks
            red,green,blue neutralizer that used the mass effect relay energy to send out whatever energy to the entire galaxy.

            I like these talks, It passes time while im working. Thanks

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/HIFFTY3ZKTNGCMWIONFWZGICEU Wai Chi

             2. Of course Catalyst/Citadel had existed for aeons that part was
            obvious, but no one knew it would be a AI that created the reapers. It
            form was only seen when the Crucible converged with the Citadel.
            (why “no one knew” is relevant to why Catalyst didn’t do Sovereign/Saren’s job in ME1?)

            3. Saren was indoctrinated just like the Illusive man. Shepard did
            not want to join with the reapers, who are the ideal “Synthesis” beings,
            So like I said before. Options everyone must have thought were either
            control or destroy. Its no surprize that the Synthesis option became
            available given Geth and Shepard and Saren since you brought that up.
            (It might be no surprise that Catalyst would offer them as options. But it’s a surprise that Bioware writers would arrange them as the options Shepard agree to do. Because Shepard has been fighting against these ideas all along. That’s why many players said these endings doesn’t make sense. They contradict with the theme of ME1-3.)

            4. They believed Shepard was killed when Harbringer came down.
            Regroup usually means rally to a secure position. Normandy, being the
            fastest ship in the fleet with stealth, would be pretty safe to me. I’m
            sure once Joker saw the explosion from the Citadel he would get the hell
            out of there.
            (You make up a lot of side-plot that was never told or implied in the game. Using your own word: keep telling yourself that :D
            Besides, as you said, Crucible’s energy is harmless. So the “wave” that destroyed Normandy’s engines isn’t Crucible’s explosions. What is Joker running away from? 
            An explanation is, Joker is doing a MR Jump. Hence the collapse of the MR network rudely kicked Normandy out of the space-time “corridor”, hence the damage. And that’s what everyone is asking: why Joker has started running away before any explosion happen?
            Another explanation is, Joker is running away from the catastrophic MR explosion I mentioned. Then this just proved that all star systems are destroyed.)

            5. “Crucible/Catalyst’s energy harmless or not is irrelevant.” Keep
            telling yourself that…I guess the different colors meant nothing.
            (It’s the in-game codex and ME wiki that told me. Yeah, you can keep telling yourself the Crucible’s energy changed everything. It’s SPACE MAGIC after all :D )

            6. “Sovereign and Harbinger were both douche baggery. You didn’t paid
            enough attention to their conversation scene.” matter of opinion…dont
            beat yourself on such matters.
            (I think a Youtube video of those scenes is not difficult to find. I might post one later. But it’s pointless if you just keep saying “I don’t think so”. So, pointless to argue anymore.)

            7. “Citadel is part of the Catalyst. They are the same one entity.
            Reaper can’t create what created them.If you say Catalyst was somehow
            “merged” with Citadel after Citadel is created, no, I paid much
            attention to the story and the story didn’t mention that.” You got
            something mixed around here. I never said the reapers were the
            creators. I said Catalyst, the “God Child” as someone stated, created
            the Reapers. Catalyst probably used the reapers to create the Citadel
            and the Mass relays through indoctrating species to do the work…who
            knows, but the point was that the reapers were not the creator, but the
            created.
            (I didn’t mix up anything. You said Reaper created Citadel. And yes that’s what said in ME1. And I am pointing out that they can’t. Because Citadel is Catalyst, or part of it, as said in ME3. Catalyst created Reapers. It becomes a circular fallacy. That’s one of the many contradictions created by ME3 ending. 
            And so I said: “If you say Catalyst was somehow merged with Citadel after Citadel is created, no, I paid much
            attention to the story and the story didn’t mention that.”
            You can’t just make up something that was never implied or foreshadowed by the story, especially when you are telling others to pay attention to the story to find out these “explanation”. You are just finding them out from your own brain, not from the story.)

            9. Shot, wounded, bleeding to death, friends, comrades dying all
            around. If you would rather waste time (on the verge of death
            even) debating with the creator of the reapers and the mass relays over
            why only these options, then I’m glad your not saving the world, giving
            the option to save lives during a mass war. It’s a game that implamented
            the human element wisely which made it so entertaining. The creator of
            the Mass relays told Shepard his options and did not say anything about
            mass total destruction, but the destruction of the reapers and synthetic
            life to end the cycle. Synthesis was not going to destroy anything only
            send out the energy through the destruction of mass relays and fuse new
            DNA to organics and synthetics. And since the ending video did not show
            the total annhilation of everything I’m think its safe to say that the
            energy that came from the Cataylst/Citadel was some sort of 
            red,green,blue neutralizer that used the mass effect relay energy to
            send out whatever energy to the entire galaxy.
            (As I said, Shepard wouldn’t know the MR destructions are different this time (assuming they really are.). Catalyst only said Crucible’s energy is harmless, didn’t say anything special about the MR destructions.
            So, for Shepard at that moment, choosing any of the 3 options is not saving the world.
            For Shepard at that moment, he/she is going to destroy the world with his/her own hands.
            That’s why he/she MUST argue about the MR destruction. Because for him/her at that moment, none of the 3 options is solution.
            And Shepard said more than once that, he/she would rather die fighting, instead of following Saren or TIM’s path. And that’s why Shepard should have argued about Control and Synthesis, even if that will waste the valuable time.)

            Thanks

          • Coolguy65

            how about its a game and a fiction based story so yeah

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Watson/1194548259 Jim Watson

          ok what happens to your team members that were with you?  How do you explain Bioware saying you will not get an a,b,c ending?  I for one don’t pay for video games or movies where I have to imagine what happened. I have seen just about every movie, played many games, and read many,many books and that is by far the worst ending ever.

  • http://twitter.com/JoelDT1 Joel Taft

    Well bottom line here is people are waiting to see how Bioware fixes it and most of the outraged fans are waiting until summer release. After that its a falsely advertised games. There are now people stating they are getting together every shred of marketing prior to launch and then showing what we got and bringing all of the evidence to the BBB and The FTC and will see retribution. Dispite your opinions it is in the works and is a bad idea. BioWare should come clean say what was intended. State they realize it is a bad business practice and separate themselves from EA as Ubisoft did.  They can make an honsest profit. Not a gouged one from here on out. Lesson learned.

  • The Smart Man

    EAware gets what they deserve.  They trat their custoers like crap, and don’t think they have a right to boycott or fight back.

    Hold The Wallet

  • Watchdog

     EA reaps what it sows. They are a truly horribly, money-grubbing company that cares little about its customers. I hope they get what’s coming to them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Watson/1194548259 Jim Watson

    They made many promises, kept none.