Susanna Reid acknowledged being shocked today, after she accused a child protective expert of making a scapegoat. Arthur Labinjo Hughes’s grandmother was responsible for telling social workers and medics that he had ‘unusual’ bleeding on his back.
Wendy Thorogood is the chair of the Association of Child Protection Professionals. She stated that referring injuries to doctors could result in a quicker response than telling social workers.
Joanne Hughes (Autumn’s grandmother) took pictures of Arthur with bruises on the shoulder and sent them to Solihull Council. The bruises on Arthur’s shoulder were discovered by social workers who visited him the following day.
The six-year old was then killed three months later by Emma Tustin (32), and Thomas Hughes (29), who subjected him and his father to torture and other abuse.
Joanne Hughes took pictures of Arthur’s injuries (pictured), and sent them to Solihull Council.
Wendy Thorogood (chair of the Association of Child Protection Professionals) stated that referring injuries to doctors could result in a quicker response than simply telling social workers. Susanna Reid was left’stunned.
Susanna Reid interviewed Ms Thorogood and said she was surprised by her suggestion that Hughes could have done even more.
She replied, “I’m sorry. I’m just shocked.”
You can also be told that you are the grandmother. [Ms Hughes]It all comes down to ”…’
Ms. Thorogood replied, “I don’t think it’s down the grandmother. I just said at that time in the child’s life the doctor could have assessed him.” Although my words may sound a little distorted, it is what I meant. It would have stopped a delay.
Martin Lewis, Ms Reid’s cohost, invited Ms Thorogood for a discussion about Arthur’s case and the possible ways that social services might have responded.
M. Lewis started by asking Wendy: “There are many lessons to learn here Wendy. But I think if you start with the larger question: Can this ever stop from happening again? Is that even possible?”
Ms. Thorogood responded: “I believe we need to believe we can make an impact, but up to 70 children die every year. This is where we learn lessons. It is something we have been dealing with for many years.
Ms Reid then added her voice and asked: “I want you to ask me, because there were many opportunities to save Arthur. It would be false to say that Arthur’s crimes went unpunished because Arthur’s grandparents raised concerns, Arthur’s uncle raised concerns, social services visited. How do I notify social services if my grandparent is concerned?
Ms Thorogood said, “As professionals they need to be trained to detect manipulation.”
“Just one, I want you to notice the bruising. It was clearly shared with social services and the photograph was shared to police. I don’t criticize her actions in any way, but it would have been nice if that child was actually there to seek medical assistance.
“Because it’s possible at this moment to snap a picture, that’s evidence. But health workers can also be part of the system and could have initiated a multi-system assessment faster.
Ms Reid asked: “When you say “she”, do you mean the social worker?” Ms. Thorogood responded, “The grandmother.” If she took the photo… I appeal to anyone concerned that a child may have visible bruises and seek medical care.
An incredulous Ms Reid responded: “I’m sorry to interrupt, but she went into social services. Do you mean that social service couldn’t intervene? The grandmother had to look for further assistance?”
Ms. Thorogood replied: “It would trigger intervention. It triggered the point of social workers going out, but it was the matter of delaying and severity of when it was seen. I don’t criticize anyone who makes a referral.
Ms Reid replied, “I don’t understand why your suggesting that the grandmother should’ve done more,”
The six-year old was then killed three months later by Emma Tustin (32), and Thomas Hughes (29), who subjected him and his family to torture and other abuses.
Emma Tustin (32), murdered Arthur repeatedly by repeatedly hitting his head against a hard surface. She and Thomas Hughes, 29, had starved Arthur and poisoned it with salt.
Ms Thorogood insists that she wasn’t blaming Arthur’s grandmother, but rather giving guidance to others in similar circumstances in the future
Wendy immediately responded by saying, “I am not saying that grandmother could have done more. However, I do want to emphasize that anyone who sees unusual bleeding should seek medical assistance.
“I’m sorry. I’m just shocked,” Ms Reid, mother of three said. “Because I thought that once you called social service, they trigger the process. They’re responsible for the outcome, and have legal rights.
And if you believe the grandmother is telling you, “actually it’s up to you ‘…’
“I did not say that it was down to the grandmother. I am saying that at the moment the child could be medically,” Ms Thorogood replied. “I’m not trying to be twisted. I just said that this would have prevented delays.